"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
If waterboarding would save the life of your wife, children, and
boyfriend, would you be in favor of it? Yeah, me too.

Turn that around. Suppose your wife or child was mistakenly taken captive
by a foreign government who thought they had valuable information. Would it
be okay if they were waterboarded? Hell no; and that's the same outrage you
should have when our country does it.

With all due respect, the false choice you posit is bull****. It assumes
that you *know* you have the right person, you *know* they possess the
information you seek, you *know* that information is valid and timely, and
you *know* they will give you the correct information under torture. But,
the fact is, you can know none of that with certainty before you begin the
torture. Further, even with information you glean in that manner, you can't
be certain it is truth or made up to stop the torture. IOW, you're going on
an inhuman fishing expedition (OBROFF).

Torture is one of those crimes that simply cannot be excused. There can be
no double standard. If we can do it to them, they can do it to us. If we
can do it to save our children, they can do it to our children with the same
moral authority. I cannot excuse or condone that.

Joe F.