"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:36:40 -0500, JR wrote:

For the most part, that's true. But the thing is, we *are* no
better than those we call our enemies and we never have been.
The myth of some inherent ethical or moral superiority adhering
to Americans because they're American is just that: a myth.
Which is exactly *why* the guiding principles of the
Constitution--and our ability (so far) to submit to them--are so
important.

The fact that so many are so ready and willing to find excuses
for throwing out them the moment the going gets rough only
underscores, to my mind, just *how* important it is to keep and
protect them at all cost--rather than rely on knee-jerk hubris
about our own personal specialness.

John, our country has a history of mis-use of the Constitution.

Slavery being the most outlandish.

Treatment of native Americans

Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans.

Robert Kennedy wire tapping Americans.

I am sure that torture was used against the Germans and Japanese
prisoners in WWII

Waterboarding, if it obtains information that saves lives, is not only
ok, it is imperative if we are to win this war (not Iraq or
Afghanistan). If the information is there we HAVE to obtain it, or
lose many lives.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ml#cnnSTCVideo

I know, I know, it is Newt and none of you liberals like Newt, but
listen with an open heart and mind. I hope what he says does not
happen, but I am deathly afraid it will.

Hm......

We've done it before (and there's a LOT of examples you missed) so we MUST
do it again.

Yeah, that's a powerful argument.

Dave
EOT for me.

Good.

Idiot.

Wolfgang