On Mar 10, 8:09 am, "JT" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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There was no attack just a qualified statement of truth. He agrees
with this now and has recanted.

I didn't recant anything. I said playing and catching a fish will stress it,
I did not agree with your C&R definition.
Don't put words in my mouth.



To wit: "Sure it stresses fish to catch and play a trout".

Ken - what sucked about JT's answer is that - I answered his question
straight up, like a gentleman - and he answered mine with pure crap,
you know it, and, well...that wasn't the deal.

Just because I disagree with your definition and belief about C&R it's crap.
OK....

Socratic? Yeah right!

JT

The fact JT is that you mocked the agreement we had and you flat
answered a different question. The question I asked was true or false
and you went on about some 'definition of C&R'. This was really unfair
as I laid it out there in my answer as part of the gentlemen's
agreement and acknowledged that I routinely practice C&R, something
I've said in the past. In fact JT I routinely fished the 1st public
waters in the United States that was managed as pure C&R under the
"Fishing is Fun" program and was pretty staunch for about 25 years
that I'm concluding we need a better strategy and have always felt the
animal rights people could crush us by applying this same logical set
of questions.

But, with your answer you basically asserted that fish do not
experience stress when hooked and then gave some trite definition. I
provided the biological data that shows this is an undeniable claim.
Nobody, I mean nobody, discussing this honestly believes a fish is not
at least stressed by the act. This is a good place to start as we have
the biology (chemical changes in the fish's blood) and understand a
lot about stress in fish.

The attempt was purely Socratic but fell apart because of your
response, which was crap. It was a great answer to the question "what
is C&R?" but a completely meaningless answer to the question on the
table. In any Socratic discussion we must accept some truth as a
starting place, which is exactly why it was asked the way it was.

T or F - Fish are stressed, are maimed or die as the result of C&R .

Further, I don't think you've ever bothered to find out what I would
propose to change things, or why I go through this.

Halfordian Golfer