On Mar 10, 9:26 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Willi wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I'm done with you and your silly anti-C&R jihad. Now that
I have demonstrated to my satisfaction that you really have
no coherent argument, merely ad hominems and double talk,
Bull****.
One can disagree with Tim's position but you're wrong in stating that he
doesn't have a coherent argument, merely ad hominens and double talk.
There is nothing but hypocrisy and double talk in his
so-called "position". C&R is a fishery management tool,
not the only one, but a valid one for some fisheries.
C&R is not the end of the world as we know it or a slippery
slope towards fish as golf balls. It's just one tool among
several to achieve what all of us should want, namely healthy
fisheries.

His argument is VERY coherent and simple - it is wrong to stress,
injure, kill etc, a fish simply for one's pleasure.
If that's his argument then he is a hypocrite for going
fishing at all and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to let
some crackpot trot out the holier-than-thou ad hominems
against fishermen on a fly fishing newsgroup.

Ken,

Can you describe a situation where pure C&R is a valid management
strategy as opposed to slot limits inside or outside the statistical
norm for a healthy year class of fish? ...

Can you describe a situation where catching and releasing
a fish outside the slot in a slot limit stream is less
stressful or less lethal than catching and releasing a
fish in a C&R only stream ? And if incidental death were
to occur to a fish caught outside the slot in a slot limit
stream would the angler be a wanton killer with no respect
for wildlife and no conscience ?

You might want to consult Socrates before you answer. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

1) No. In fact it would probably be worse because the fish would still
act like a wild fish and wouldn't come in like a boot with that look
on it's face "Will you go ahead and release me already?"

2) Yes and No. It depends 100% on intent. If I kill a deer with my car
making that 0500 fishing date that's entirely different than chasing
it to death on my snowmobile. If I am subsistence fishing and will
quit when I have a bag, than this is no more of being a wanton killer
than running over a prairie dog tilling for corn.

Your pal,

Tim