On Mar 13, 4:34 pm, "JT" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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JT You asked this question.

"It's okay to catch and release several fish before you catch a
fish that meets a slot limit? What about the incident mortality in all
the
fish you release before catching a keeper!?"

With all due respect, we've talked about this many, many times. In at
least a dozen responses.

Remember the thread about catching a keeper on the first catch and
quitting?

You're still are side stepping my question. Answer the direct question.



Remember the one about killing deer on the roadway on the way for the
0500 fishing date?

Remember this one:
"I've demonstrated the fallacy of this argument 100 times. Look at it
this way. I fish 4 times a year. I kill 2 each time. That means I've
killed 8 fish. Contrast that to the angler who fishes 50 times and
averages 20 fish an outing. That's 1000 fish hooked and hauled.
Assuming 1% mortality (probably way more when you consider the
accumulated nature of stress) and you've killed 10 fish minimum.
Assume I had to hook 100 to catch my 8 so I killed 9. Unlimited C&R
kills more than restricted C&K and that's just a fact whether you like
it or not."

This argument is rediculous. Work the numbers where the other fisherman
C&R'ed the same number of fish and fished the same number of days.



This is based on one simple fact: There are no limits imposed on C&R
while there are hard and fast limits imposed when you kill and quit.
Please let that sink in.

Let this sink in... If we go fishing and I catch and release 20 fish there
is the "potential" based on studies (that you have posted) less than 1% of
those fish will die.... If it takes you 20 fish to reach a slot limit so you
can kill your keeper, it's certain that one fish died in that river system.
How has that bettered the fishery?



Still, it's all about intent JT. With pure C&R you (we) stress, maim
and injure a fish for the hell of it. In theory pure C&R fishing is no
difference than chasing a deer with a snowmobile or paint ball hunting
for deer. If it is significantly different, than please tell me why.

If there was a law/rule in place that said chasing and clubbing deer from a
snow mobile was legal, then by God you would be all for it eh?

If it's a moral issue for you, stay away from the C&R steams or hang up your
flyrod. You have already mentioned how difficult it is for you to kill a
fish, yet you are supporting C&K

Your argument contradicts itself...

I'm with Ken and Willi, I give up too!

JT

JT,

I answered your question directly. Several times. I hate to say this
JT, but this *specific* question is usually one of the 1st or 2nd
questions that come up every time in this debate. I don't know how
else to answer you. All fishermen try really hard to minimize
incidental loss while hunting or fishing. It happens. A friend of mine
was hunting Elk alone and he shot a cow elk and wounded it. He was
tracking it, saw it and shot it. It was then that he realized he had
killed a second elk. This is a tough guy who was distraught about it.
Once as kid I shot a sparrow hawk while dove hunting. Anyone with a
shred of outdoors ethics is upset by this, but it happens and is
unavoidable.

And if I were starving, had a snowmobile and a club. Yes.

Halfordian Golfer

By the way, in order to survive, this is almost exactly how the
indiginous people survived.