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**Ken Fortenberry[_2_]** · March 23rd, 2008, 03:25 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... What kind of dimbulb
businessman would run the risk of large fines and possible
jail time unless he was planning to profit from a cheap labor
pool ?
You didn't ask whether I thought it prudent business to do so, only if I
wouldn't mind having a few "off-the-books" employees. Them being
illegal aliens is not material. Rather than pay an employee X USD, plus
all of the assorted costs, few of which practically benefit employee or
employer, it be cheaper to pay that employee - Mexican, US citizens, or
Norwegians - a flat, simple cash wage of X + 20% and be done with it.
Why do you hate America so much ?

If you're *not* planning to exploit your illegals
you'd have to be an idiot to hire them in the first place.
Well, in my observations, most illegals want to work, do work, and work
hard. Therefore, I'd rather have illegals - not because they are
illegals, but because they are hard workers who _want_ to work, treat
and pay them fairly, have them stick around and continue to do good work
- you know, sorta like normal human beings...
Uh huh. I get the impression that your notions, and those
of the other chiselers who would knowingly hire illegals,
about "treat and pay them fairly" aren't exactly consistent
with either our labor laws or common human decency.

I can't and won't speak for anyone and everyone who might hire, or has
hired, illegal workers. I'd agree that in any system where exploitation
of others is possible, be it the US or anywhere else, some will exploit
others. Heck, I'd exploit weakness in an equal - IOW, if you and I were
both business owners in competition and I could exploit a weakness of
yours, I'd do it (assuming it was legal and I felt it ethical). But for
me, exploiting (using solely the negative meaning/connotation of
"exploit") employees of any status simply isn't good business - again,
aside from the pure "wrongness" of it. IAC, I didn't offer opinions on
what others might do, I only stated my thoughts on what I'd want/do and
my reasons, directly addressing your asking me what _I'd_ wish to do.

OK, try this on for size. You hire an off-the-books illegal and
while on the job he falls off a ladder and breaks his leg. Do you:

A) Drive him to hospital, tell them send me the bills and pay him
80% salary until he comes back to work. In other words treat him
you know, sorta like a normal human being. Or:

B) Say, Damn that's tough luck pal, when you get to the emergency
room be sure to tell them you're unemployed and when you heal
up come back and I'll try to find some lawns for you to mow.

If it ain't A) you're not treating him fairly by my definition.

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Ken Fortenberry