On Aug 18, 12:37*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:

... And on the
human side, that insane nanny bit the Texans did, taking away hundreds
of children from their polygamous parents was nothing that could be
laid at the feet of "libs," unless all the morally presumptuous
wingnut Baptists in Texas have gone thru some makeover that hasn't
made the Seattle papers yet.

Your years at BYU have endowed you with a horrific blind spot
vis a vis some of the most disgusting cultists in America. If
the polygamous cultists aren't going to protect their 14 year-old
girls from ritual rape then who will ? Protecting children isn't
morally presumptuous or the sole province of wingnut Baptists it
is the responsibility of the state.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well you did notice that all the children had to be returned to their
mothers, and that the original accusers turn out to be ficticous
right?

As for my sojurn in Utah. . . .

I had the privilege of working for a 3 term, cigar smoking Lunch
Bucket Democrat Governor of Utah, Calvin Rampton, as a very junior
planner for the State of Utah. I learned reluctantly what happens when
you press the law too closely into the culturally different. First,
lets make it clear that the LDS church does not in any way support
polygamy, and that "Mormons" do more to discourage it than any
thieving Texas prosecutor or show boating Federal (or State) law
enforcement carpetbagger has ever done. The polygamous groups are all
breakoffs. The church got out of polygamy over 100 years ago.

What I learned is that if you don't leave a little discretion to State
and local law enforcement, if you press things too much with the power
of the State because some nut bag up on the mountain doesn't want to
send his kids to school, or talks Nazi bull****, or because three or
more people want to form a family, you end up with Sheriffs forced to
kill primarily Wingnuts, you end up with the whole bunch of women and
kids on welfare, you end up with kids who hate the State because it
killed or jailed their father (or Mother in the case of Ruby Ridge),
you end up with Sheriffs who retire early because they have local
blood on their hands, you end up with children leading chaotic lives
hunted by asshole tabloid NY reporters and junketing Federal lawmen.

There are abuses and dealing with them is best left to local
government and local law enforcement. But if you see this stuff close
up you might realize that there are worse outcomes when you apply the
full power of the State to enforce in every nook and cranny a
particular idea of what the proper age for marriage is, who should be
in school and taught what, how many married people in a family is
proper, and blur the natural law's definition of rape. Sometimes you
just let em be and say, no I don't know where you can find them.

Dave
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