On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:37:10 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
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Hmmm...I asked every Obama supporter I know, and I know a fair amount,
to give me a pitch, and to a person, including those here on ROFF, I got
nothing but parroting of Obama's claims. No numbers, no facts, nothing.
And any criticism or even questioning of The Cult of St. Obama is met
with charges of partisanship, ignorance or worse. A fair amount of
folks here are involved in the sciences, and I can't imagine any would
accept such, well, purely subjective anecdotally-generated opinion that
must be accepted without question as evidence of anything.

um.....I neither gave you the standard line, nor did I accuse of
partisanship, nor ignorance. My argument was simple, that Obama has by far
the best chance of healing a divided nation,

And as you know, I hoped that, too, but he appears to be nothing more
than an empty package, all wrapped up in fancy paper and expensive
ribbons. He's nothing more than a pol and a combination of the worst of
Bush, both Clintons, Edwards, and Gore, to boot.

and providing leadership away from 'trickle down' economics.

I don't think he has the slightest clue about economics and he'll do
whatever he thinks will make him popular with his fans.

Further, McCain seems to have issues with temperment and rash
decisions,

You know, I hear that, but I've not seen any significant example of it.
Has he blown his top in certain private circumstances, yeah, probably,
but most folks have. I will agree that his temperament is probably more
of the type to be headstrong than is Obama, but sometimes that would be
good, other times bad, in a POTUS.

making the choice of Obama far easier. Now, that you don't accept
my premise is fine by me, but don't say you've heard nothing but a party
line.
BTW, to return to the matter of leadership: a Leader is someone capable of
motivating others to work for his general direction.

No, it isn't, at least as far as you seem to be constraining to that as
the sole quality.

What candidate since
Reagan has had such qualities at the levels Obama offers?

Bradley, Romney, Giuliani, Bush (under your criteria above), McCain,
both Clintons (again, under your criteria), and a number of others. From
what I can see, Obama can't do it because he has no real general
direction thus far other than to get elected. If he is elected, when
all the excitement wears off, and he isn't able to make everything
perfect REALLY quickly, I think it's gonna be an, um, "interesting"
period for him and the US.

Hope and change, my ass,
R

Hope and change are at your doorstep...just watch.

That's about all any of us can do at this point...

TC,
R
Tom