On Jan 7, 12:54*pm, JD wrote:
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*rb608 wrote:
On Jan 6, 3:31*pm, JD wrote:
My experience with the quality has been between OK and awful. *trout
sized PTs are tied decently, but I have had problems with hooks
breaking, especially on prince nymphs. *Alot of hooks breaking! *And I
got caddis poopah that had the chenile tied down with thread instead of
wire. *That is really bad, but in all fairness that was the only
experience I have had with grossly negligent fly's.

Based on your experience, I wouldn't even consider buying from them.
"OK to awful" isn't the range of quality I generally look for. *Hell,
if the hook's going to break, I don't care if they only cost $.10
each. *Shoot, Walt will tie one on for you for free, and you'll catch
just as many fish.

Well I live on the upper sac, so I fish all the time and flies are
expensive. *Like I said, if I were to go steelhead fishing or something
I wouldnt use these flies. *Plus, maybe I just got a bad batch which
could happen to Umpqua or whoever the highest quality flies are?

In this case, there is no definition of a 'bad batch' of flies. There
are dozens (hundreds?) of tyers, tying hundreds of types of flies in
hundreds of patterns, that go into hundreds of bins to be distributed
to thousands of dealers in dozens of countries all over the world, and
get mixed in with hundreds and hundreds of other flies.

So you order a mix of flies in a limited range of styles, sizes and
colors. The odds of you selecting a 'batch' with a single similar set
of characterisics (weak hook, poorly tied, etc) that was statistically
different from the entire monsterload of flies from the company is
microscopically small. Whatever characteristics your set of flies
shows is almost certainly representative of any mix of flies someone
would order from that company.

Ditch them. I recommend Troutflies.com

--riverman