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Old February 8th, 2009, 05:23 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Ken Fortenberry[_2_]
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Default Willie and Wesley and the boys...

Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
I have seen no leadership from the messiah. He is supporting the bill as
it came out of the House. very little stimulation and gobs of cost.

actually, exactly wrong, Bill. Obama is quietly supporting the version
that is being re-written in the Senate, and urging the House to go along
without re-tinkering with it.
And, based on the economics experts, the balance of the Senate compromise
fit the mold of what is needed. The only questions seemingly remaining
a 1) will this approach work, or be timely enough and 2) is it large
enough? Many feel, given the current rate of job loss and business losses,
a package of double this size is needed.


Obama has changed his support to the new bill. Just going along with the
flow. Where is some leadership.


Obama came out strongly in opposition to the "Buy American" provisions
in the stimulus bill. That is leadership, Mr. Bill.

A package double this may be needed. But
not with the hurryup writing of this bill. This bill is a clusterf&&k in
regards to anybody really understanding the bill and what we really need.


The thing is, we're in uncharted territory here. The economies of the
world have never been so interconnected and the scale of the catastrophe
has never been this enormous. *NOBODY* knows, for sure, what to do or
what we really need.

That's why the spitball throwers like you and the ideologues of the GOP
are sitting in the catbird seat right now. We all know that there will
be missteps, mistakes and outright failures in trying to address this
catastrophe. So the GOP washes their hands of the whole deal, nitpicks
each and every misstep and says, "See, we told you so. We should have
followed the GOP plan."

Resodding the Mall is not something needed for a stimulus, as well as a lot
of other pet projects inserted. The last $850 Billion Bailout was written
with the same haste and look how it turned out.


OK genius, how did it turn out ? Tell us what the current state of the
economy would look like if we hadn't put the first half of that bailout
into the financial institutions. And then look into your crystal ball
and tell us what Geithner is going to announce about the second half on
Tuesday.

And that was a Democrat
controlled Congress also, so do not try to blame Bush for the failure.


Congress gave the Bush administration (read Paulson) pretty much carte
blanche on distributing the first half of TARP. If it failed, and you
have no way of knowing whether it did or not, then it is certainly the
fault of the Bush administration.

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Ken Fortenberry