"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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This stimulus bill and the TARP are the biggest spending bills ever
in the history of the planet, most Americans oppose them and Obama
is going to get it passed and signed in under a month. That, Mr. Bill,
is leadership.

Obama took personal responsibility for the failed Daschle nomination.
That, Mr. Bill, is "the buck stops here" leadership.

You appear to want Obama to abandon his principles, **** off the left
and do the things *you* think are right before you'll give him any
credit for leadership. That, Mr. Bill, is blind ideology.

It's only been two weeks, get back to me in two years Mr. Bill.

agreed, largely, Ken. I do wish he would get out and push hard to restore
the 46 Billion that was to go to the States, much of it for education.
That money would impact jobs, immediately, and prevent taxes and fees from
rising in states which are facing huge revenue shortfalls. In fact, that
part that the Republicans campaigned to cut might have had as much
immediate stimulatory impact as anything in the bill. $16 Billion was for
school construction projects currently on hold(hence, 'shovel ready', if
one wishes to use that detestable term).
Also, I give Calif.Bill credit for one part of his argument, the
observations on PERSONAL sacrifice and responsibility. I note that Louie
chose not to respond on that matter, when I brought up the BMW driving
food bank patrons. A great deal of this problem was brought on by the
conduct of the citizenry, and a bit of sacrifice by us all will be needed
to get out of this problem. And yes, part of that, far down the road,
should the economy stabilize, is an increase in taxation to help restore
some fiscal sanity to the government. Obama and his team are well aware
that we are nowhere near the point where that is an issue to deal with,
and hence(Louie, are you reading?) they plan NO TAX INCREASES for the
forseeable future. Except for Dave LaCourse and his immediate family,
which will be a rider that Barney Frank plans to attach to the Conference
Committee bill.g
Tom
Tom



Not only do we need tax increases to provide fiscal responsibility to
government, we need spending responsibility and decreases. Get rid of Base
Line Budgeting. How many of us figure in a 13% increase in yearly outgo,
and call a decrease to 8% a 5% cut? As to education help. Lets require the
education industry to produce. Neighbor, who is a teacher and interim
principle, has to go back to just teacher. He accuses Arnie and the budget
cutting for the problem. Maybe the education industry ought to control
their out of control spending. $40 billion bucks extra to education in this
state in the last couple years. The kids can not yet read their diplomas.
The college teachers are still getting a 3.5% raise while the rest of the
country is worrying about a job and the Contra Costa College district is
awarding an 18% raise to the chancellor. From $209k to $247K. Talk about
tossing it in the taxpayers faces.