DaveS wrote:
On Mar 17, 5:22 am, jeff wrote:
DaveS wrote:
... based on their need to
protect a few monsters that they personally would be too gutless to
guard, or even have the stomach to look at a photo of the victims, and
parade their hypocracy as if they were morally superior.
though i concede enough experience with such comments to justify being
numbed to them, i still feel a fresh and painful surprise at statements
like yours... notwithstanding your heroic offer to use a baseball bat to
impose the death penalty personally and on a volunteer basis. i suppose
you would require your "monster" to be strapped to the gurney as you
accomplished your public service, or will you do it while he sleeps?

moral superiority?? "hypocracy" [sic]?? ...

jeff

Jeff If it were just me I would want him down on his knees, head
bowed, arms strapped and blindfolded, in a dry field. On a gurney you
would be smashing his head into the canvass and the gurney would be
easily and needlessly damaged by the bat. Heroic? No, but some people
just need killing.

I would prefer if it were done with lethal injection, electric chair,
gas, hanging, decapitation or firing squad. And I feel that if one
believes in capital punishment for the worse murderers, one should be
willing, if capable, of carrying out the execution. But I recognize
that many people compartmentalize the effects of their choices and
beliefs.

Just curious but how do you think these kinds of murderers should be
prevented from continued killing of other prisoners and guards in
prison during the duration of their "life" sentences? And when they
kill again in prison, what punishment would you favor?

Dave


as you know, i don't believe in capital punishment. i'm in the minority.
fortunately, you are also.

undoubtedly, your monster will be executed...but only after a review of
articulated legal issues in a deliberative process. you not only want
to club him to death, you want to kill due process. you want to do away
with the very legal tensions that distinguish our judicial
system...tensions that led to legal and social reforms that you probably
approve of. there were "bat wielders" in those dry fields too...

if one accepts the position capital punishment is neither morally nor
logically justified, then you do as is done in most things...you do your
best. you put the "monsters" in places and circumstances that will
prevent such killings. solitary confinement and chains work remarkably
well when prudently administered.

frankly, many believe the jeopardy created by such folks in the prison
system is part of the "punishment" of incarcerations. i suspect, solely
from your past statements, you are among them. in any event, prisons are
not normal environments for anyone to be in.

how do you predict murder? how do you prevent murder? ...preemptive
strikes?

i'm curious, and don't know the answer - in the past 30 years, what are
the numbers of guards killed by prisoners in us prisons? ...inmates
killed? the circumstances that led to the killing? of those, how many of
the prisoners were incarcerated for murder at the time they killed a
prison guard or other inmate? what are the reported numbers for
prisoners abused by guards, killed by guards? how many of those inmates
were incarcerated for murder?

how do you determine someone is a "monster" deserving of a snedekering?

....if you feel justified and proper in clubbing another human being to
death - one who is "down on his [or her] knees, head bowed, arms
strapped and blindfolded in a dry field" - what really distinguishes you
from the "monster"? moral superiority???

jeff