On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:23:43 +0200, "Thomas Schreiber"
wrote:


"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
.com...
I don't like them because I don't like to have those loops in my line for
many situations like stripping streamers or wet flies. I don't think
having
the set of loops 'clanking' through the guides is good when you are trying
to perceive a subtle take. For stripping wet flies in lakes for trout or
stripping on the flats I prefer full fly lines.

Hi Bill. What do you mean by "I don't think having the set of loops
'clanking' through the guides is good when you are trying to perceive a
subtle take"?

How many loops have you got on your line? I've only got one loop connection
between my shootingline and the shooting head. I use a 9' foot S3S for all
my coastal fishing, and the only time where you'll notice the loop
connection, is when you pull the loop connection through the guides - which
will be 9 feet in total(aprox 4-10 seconds in total). Maybe you have some
"lousy" loops, I dont know, but my loops are so small that you'll rarely
notice them in practical fishing. I make my loops with the core of the
shootinghead and shootingline, and then pull the core into it self, tighten
up VERY hard and finish it with Loon softglue to make a nice "overlapping".


A head system with good braided mono or new welded loops and a good
running
line fits in some situations but is not the answer for everything. In fact
many fly fishers will never need them for their particular fly fishing
profile.

Again. Which loops do you use?!?!? I use full DT and WF lines for dryfly and
nymph fishing, but all coastal/lake fishing, I only use shooting heads -
with huge success i might add.


I would not recommend shooting head over 30 feet for anyone wading with a
normal single handed rod. Especially with large bulking streamers.

Why not? This is exactly what i use, and instead of doing 5-8 false casts
everytime, i now only have to do 2-4 to cast 30-40 yards. Saves me a lot of
energy, and as you know, "when the fly is in the air, you aint' gonna catch
fish" )




Tight lines )
Thomas - DK



Thomas, I'm also using homemade loops, using the fly line core, and
those together with the nice Airflo loops, don't cause me any problems
either.

As far as I can see, the advantages for me a

* Easy interchangeability
* Cheaper
* Only one spool necessary
* Long running lines can result in fly lines that are from 135' up to
195' long
* Easy to carry a broad range of heads with you on the water (no
bulky extra spools)
* Consistent casting as you always know where the end of the head is
(murder with a clear intermediate)
* You'll end up with a greater range of lines than you'd otherwise
own
* In my case, as I also spey cast, I can use different length heads
depending on whether I want to spey cast or overhead cast. The 12 wt.
45 footers are for overhead casting on my Atlantis 11' 11 wt. and spey
casting on my 10 wt. spey rod.
* The 12 wt. 35 footers will overhead cast on my Atlantis as well, on
a couple of spey rods, plus they'll be used underhand casting on my
shorter spey rods.
* The 10 wt. 35 footers will overhead cast on my 9' - 10 wt. and
underhand cast on my lightest spey rod.
* I'll actually use three spools of running line, a cold weather
floating, a cold weather intermediate, and a standard floating so I'll
support 12 heads and three spey sinktip combinations using Rio
BigBoys, all on three spools.

I'm having trouble finding the downside, hence my question.

Peter

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