Man, doesn't it make you want to post to talk.environment and wax
eloquently on the pros and cons of circle hooks?

R Philip Dowds wrote:
Jim wrote:
...



The Sierra Club does great damage via it's refusal to face the
immigration/population/environment problem. It is a totally gutless
organization and I suggest withholding your contributions.

Jim


OK, let's say we evict all the illegals, close the door on both legals
and illegals of the future, and also stabilize the American population
at exactly its current level minus most aliens, which might be around
270 million persons.

Are we done? Have we saved our environment? As a technical
for-instance, how much would we be accomplishing in meeting our putative
commitments to the Kyoto protocol? 5% of the way there? 50%? What? If
the answer is, Not very much ...

Is there a risk that successfully smiting immigrants would lead us real
Americans to conclude, erroneously, that we're off the hook for a while?
If we care about the environment, would we not be better off to begin
addressing the bigger part of the problem: the lifestyle reforms
required of most American households?

Is there any chance we're opportunistically using the environment to
bonk immigrants, rather than using immigration management to save the
planet?

RPD / Cambridge
Facts can be your friends if you treat them right.