Nicely done Steve! Bravo!

Lol

WW

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
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"Rodney" wrote in message SNIP

Chris I'm not that great,, but my fishing products and new techniques
are

***In your mind they are. I know (and have met) quite a few professional
anglers, people in the televsion industry and some VERY dedicated
amatuers.
Not one has ever told me that I should be using one of your inventions.
Certain soft plastics, crankbaits, hooks and line have been recommended,
but
not once has your name come up.

I'm still new in this Chris, but My products have made "EVERY" fishing
magazine , don't you ever read them ? You will be reading about them in
hard back books soon, as I have already done the interviews with the
Authors, while I demo stated the new techniques I have invented.

***I read many different magazines, am on several different angling
websites
on a frequent basis, and again, I have yet to hear mention of your
products.

Well I guess you don't follow any of the Old guys in fishing, Bill
Dance,
Hank Parker, Ray Scott, and Al Linder, even old Roland Martin
uses my stuff.

***Oddly enough, I've met all of these guys in recent years, and have had
some great conversations with them. None of them have mentioned Rodney
Long, The Boomerang (or whatever you're calling it these days) or your
Rock
Hopper weight.


What's the big deal here ? some guys here said I was B.S., and when I
throw these guys who use my stuff out there, they then say I'm just
bragging,, no I'm proving that people who know fishing more than them ,
disagree with them

***No, you ARE just bragging.

I'm not superior,, my fishing products are, to the ones the people use
here on this list, that's all. and these I have proved to be better with
some well known fishermen, them using the old way, and me my new way, it
did not mean I was a better fisherman, I was just doing things they
could
not, with the rigs they used.

***Well then, prove it by attending either the Mid-Tennessee Classic or
the
Northwoods Classic. I'll be more than happy to let you run MY boat and
fish
the front deck. Prove that your products are superior with deeds and
actions, not mere words on a computer screen.

When I first brought out a new product a few on here did everything to
riddicule it,, and as I brought out more, they kept attacking me,, i
defended myself and my products, as these so call know it alls didn't
and
don't have a clue about the use of them. When I can on here sharing the
fish caught with them,, again I was attacked as being a spammer, what I
was trying to do is open up a new world of fishing, but a few on here ,
thought because they didn't know how to use them , they were not worth
using, because "they" were not the experts in these new techniques, they
would slam them, Warren was the worst. hecoudl not stand the thought of
some teenager that could piuck up one of my rigs could beat him not
using
one.

***No, you came on this group with a "Know It ALL" attitude and with your
arrogance, promptly proceeded to tick people off.

The only reason I keep bringing this up is Warren and others have called
me a con artist, that when I offer to prove to them, that my stuff does
as
claimed, they yell B.S., just because they can't accept they did not
come
up with any of it, they dream, and I actualy do, they just can't handle
that

***No, you keep bringing this up because you like to bang your own drum.
If
you really were interested in proving the superiority of your product,
you'd
attend one of the functions that this group hosts and put your money where
your mouth is. Again, all you give is lip service, hiding behind a
keyboard. Anyone can do that, as witnessed by Al, jajwuth or whatever
handle it's using this week.

My attitude on this list has nothing to do with my general attatude, or
the way I am,, here I am on the defence at all times, in the real world
,
where I deal one on one with people, that is not nessasary, as I can
back
up every claim about my inventions, just by showing them.

***No Rodney, here's where you are wrong. Your attitude has EVERYTHING to
do with how you are received on this group. There are ways of calling
someone an a$$hole and making them feel good about hearing it. Obviously
you have never learned how to do that. Suck up the attitude and come to
Tennessee in April. Show us all in attendance that your inventions are
the
best thing since sliced bread. Actions speak louder than words, but words
are all we get from you.

When the first pro's started drop shotting, they started dominating,
untill others started fishing the same way, not that they were better
fishermen, just they were using a new technique that dominated certain
fishing condistions, Now with one of my rigs it takes this much further
than just clear deep water, it works at all deths, and the muddyer the
water the better.

***That's where you're wrong too. Not all tournaments were won by
dropshotting. I'd be willing to bet that plenty of dropshotters had their
butts kicked by guys throwing spinnerbaits, crankbaits, worms, jigs and
other standard rigging methods. It's just that the wins with the new
method
got press, winning with a spinnerbait was old news by the time
dropshotting
came on the scene. No one technique is THE ANSWER, successful anglers
know
this and recognize when to adjust their tactics. Any "One Trick Pony"
angler is going to do well on occasion, when all the conditions are ripe
for
them. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. What you
imply
in your messages is that anyone that isn't using your inventions is an
idiot. That's not the case.

Let's look at fish holding in the rocks, my Rock Hopper lets fishermen
fish their soft plastics right through those rocks, crawling right over
them, this works better than dragging a crank bait through them, or even
a
spinner bait, so a person using that weight, has the advantage, even if
he
is a less skilled fisherman.

***Let's look at fish holding in the rocks. You're saying that I'll do
better using your invention. I say "BULL", there are plenty of times that
a
fish is going to take a fast moving, reaction bait than one crawled on the
bottom. Again, it depends on conditions at the time.

You do like to Streach what has been stated by me,, the fishing "weight"
industry is not that large, and less than 5% of it are serious bass
fishermen wanting to carolina or texas rig rocks. My wiggle rig is for
those wanting to catch much bigger fish, and have the patence to learn
how
to manipulate their lures
I have taken the action of a lure from the manufacturer, and placed it
into the hands of the fisherman,, this has never been done before.

***So you're saying that by using your products, I'm automatically going
to
get MUCH bigger fish? Come to Tennessee and show us all how to do it.

I will not hurt any of the lure buisness, as you must use lures to use
my
rigs

***I'll agree with part of this statement, you won't hurt any of the lure
business......

It is the "technique" a lure is fished that either catches them or
don't,
now with everyone using the same rig, the best technique with that rig
wins, I have just come up with better techniques, that require a
"product"
to be used

***Yes, it does boil down to technique, not necessarily using a certain
product. Even more so, it boils down to being able to locate fish,
understand the conditions at the time and being able to make an informed
decision on what technique to use. If you're not where the fish are, I
don't care what you're using, even dynamite doesn't work unless fish are
present.

You really are full of it, aren't you ?

***Actually, I know Chris quite well. He's one of the nicest, most self
effacing, knowledgable young men that I've ever met. To get him this
riled
up was an accomplishment, congratulations....

I will agree that you have made some interesting inventions, some that
might
even be productive. But the fact is Rodney, other than in a Clearance
Bin,
I have never seen your products for sale in my area. I have never had any
of the people in the fishing industry tell me that I really need to get
any
of your products because they're really great, and while I've had clients
show up with their Banjo Minnows, Helicopter Lures and other assorted
snake
oil type products, I've never had a client show me one of your inventions
that they've purchased. I've never seen a tournament pro on any of the
televised events come up on stage and thank Rodney Long for helping them
win
first prize.

The problem as I see it, and with others from the group that I have
contact
with all agree on one thing. Your people skills suck. Rodmaker and I
build
better rods than can be purchased off the shelf, but you don't see us
constantly jamming this fact down people's throats like you have a
tendancy
to do.

Come to Tennessee and prove your products are as good as you say they are.
Oh yeah, that's right, we're not important enough to screw with, you've
said
that too often in the past. My question to you is, "If we're not worthy,
why do you keep coming back?"

Put your money where your mouth is.

Sorry guys, I had to say it.....
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com