jeff wrote:

it's ridiculous for anyone to claim or suggest it isn't torture...

It's crazy, isn't it? Anyone who could convince themselves that it isn't
torture could convince themselves of anything. That explains Bush's
nonzero approval rating.

During the American Revolution General Washington ordered that prisoners
of war be treated humanely, even though the English often used, frankly,
terrorist tactics. No doubt this order was sometimes disobeyed, but it
was the policy.

This country has lost its way.

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