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Old December 16th, 2008, 06:09 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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riverman wrote:
On Dec 14, 6:22?pm, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
riverman wrote:

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In any case, no one knows what caused the collapse, nor can they
account for the fuel supply or any other reason for it to have
happened. That alone should raise eyebrows.


I thought the claim was damage from the other buildings collapsing coupled
with a diesel tank that was from emergency generators?


Read the FEMA report. That's one scenario that they propose, but they
state that their best models have an extremely low probability. They
admit that they don't really know what was the mechanism. They also
discount that the building acquired much damage as compared to other
buildings nearby. You state that claim with much more certainty than
the folks who propose it.


http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf says there was a 6000 gallon
diesel tank in the building between the 2nd and 3rd floors and a 275 gallon
diesel tank (and an 11,000 gallon water tank on the 7th floor, that's a lot
of weight on the supports under the 7th floor). An additional 100 gallons of
diesel on the 9th floor and 275 gallons on the 8th floor. Those tanks were
fed from fuel lines coming up from the 6000 gallon tank. How can you say
they can't account for a fuel supply when there are 1000's of gallons of
fuel in the building?

"...It is important to note that floors 5 through 7 contained structural
elements that were important to supporting the structure of the overall
building. The 5th and 7th floors were diaphram floors that contained
transfer girders and trusses. These floors tranferred loads from the
upper floors to the structural members and foundation system that was
built prior to the WTC7 office tower. ..."

Now, they have photographic evidence that shows the south side of the building
was damaged from the collapse of WTC1. They also say that "...a portion of that
piping ran in close proximity to Truss 1" so if that diesel line was ruptured
by debris from the collapse of WTC1, that could have supplied the fire.

Now, if you go on a camping trip, try to crush a good quality can. Next take
that can and put it inside your campfire and let it heat up for a few hours
then try to crush it again... Steel is tempered by heat and reheating steel
can remove the temper...

Figure (or photo) 5-23 refers to "the kink", and that just happens to run
across truss 1 (the same truss that the diesel line ran near...

FEMA is right in stating they don't know for sure because they don't know for
sure, but they do have sensible theories other than implying it was blown up
by saboteurs unknown... When is the last time there was a fire in a highrise
that was allowed to burn for 7 hours because the firefighters didn't have
access to water because another building collapsed and severed the water
supply?

The simple fact is it's important to study because we don't normally let
fires burn that long...

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John Nelson
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