detached bodies

The "Copydex" method I mentioned is also simple. The Copydex, which is a
liquid rubber type carpet adhesive, but other adhesives like "Evostick" and
some other so called "Contact adhesives" will also work, are spread thinly
on a sheet of glass. When dry, this is cut to a tapered shape using a razor
blade or scalpel, and then rolled into tapered bodies. One may incorporate
tails etc when rolling, colour the latex with pantone or similar pens, etc
etc. One may "dub" the bodies as well, using adhesive, and rolling them in
the appropriate dubbing.

You only need the adhesive, a piece of glass, no concrete, no twenty pounds,
and no special tools.

One may also use several adhesives for the following method. It should be
clear quick drying flexible waterproof adhesive. I use "Durofix", but there
are plenty of others. To test whether the adhesive you find will work, do
the following. Place a small drop of the adhesive on your right index
finger. Wait a second, or less, and then "roll" the adhesive between your
thumb and forefinger. If it forms a flexible sausage, it is OK. If it does
not, or you have to have your thumb and forefinger surgically separated,
then it was the wrong adhesive. Joking apart, DO NOT TRY THIS WITH
CYANOACRYLATE GLUE, ( "Superglue") or similar.

If you got the right adhesive, then take a feather, place a drop of the
adhesive on your index finger as before, and immediately draw the feather
through the drop, between your thumb and forefinger. The treated feathers
dry almost immediately. One can use this mehod for a whole host of things. I
use it, among a lot of other things, for making caddis wings for instance;

Take a partridge or similar game bird feather. Treat as described above.
Allow to dry completely, ( only a few seconds). The feather is now
relatively sharply tapered, and a solid mass. Fold the feather in half
along the quill. Cut the tip off at an angle, and you have a very robust,
completely waterproof, and perfectly coloured and mottled caddis wing. (
Varying feathers give varying effects of course, but several gamebird
feathers produce almost perfect imitations with regard to shape and
colouration). This is easily tied in, sits, and looks perfect. It will not
split or break, and the resulting fly floats like a cork. You may use other
feathers and materials in the same way. For extended bodies, legs, etc etc.

You will not find this particular method anywhere else, as I invented it
quite some time ago, and up to now I have only told a few people about it.

You can of course try treating the feathers with concrete, or winding them
around expensive and completely superfluous needle tools. This is a matter
of personal choice.

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

The "Copydex" method I mentioned is also simple. The Copydex, which is a
liquid rubber type carpet adhesive, but other adhesives like "Evostick" and
some other so called "Contact adhesives" will also work, are spread thinly
on a sheet of glass. When dry, this is cut to a tapered shape using a razor
blade or scalpel, and then rolled into tapered bodies. One may incorporate
tails etc when rolling, colour the latex with pantone or similar pens, etc
etc. One may "dub" the bodies as well, using adhesive, and rolling them in
the appropriate dubbing.

You only need the adhesive, a piece of glass, no concrete, no twenty pounds,
and no special tools.

One may also use several adhesives for the following method. It should be
clear quick drying flexible waterproof adhesive. I use "Durofix", but there
are plenty of others. To test whether the adhesive you find will work, do
the following. Place a small drop of the adhesive on your right index
finger. Wait a second, or less, and then "roll" the adhesive between your
thumb and forefinger. If it forms a flexible sausage, it is OK. If it does
not, or you have to have your thumb and forefinger surgically separated,
then it was the wrong adhesive. Joking apart, DO NOT TRY THIS WITH
CYANOACRYLATE GLUE, ( "Superglue") or similar.

If you got the right adhesive, then take a feather, place a drop of the
adhesive on your index finger as before, and immediately draw the feather
through the drop, between your thumb and forefinger. The treated feathers
dry almost immediately. One can use this mehod for a whole host of things. I
use it, among a lot of other things, for making caddis wings for instance;

Take a partridge or similar game bird feather. Treat as described above.
Allow to dry completely, ( only a few seconds). The feather is now
relatively sharply tapered, and a solid mass. Fold the feather in half
along the quill. Cut the tip off at an angle, and you have a very robust,
completely waterproof, and perfectly coloured and mottled caddis wing. (
Varying feathers give varying effects of course, but several gamebird
feathers produce almost perfect imitations with regard to shape and
colouration). This is easily tied in, sits, and looks perfect. It will not
split or break, and the resulting fly floats like a cork. You may use other
feathers and materials in the same way. For extended bodies, legs, etc etc.

You will not find this particular method anywhere else, as I invented it
quite some time ago, and up to now I have only told a few people about it.

Thanks for the useful info.

According to what I can find via Google, Durofix is a cellulose
nitrate glue just like Duco cement. So I'm guessing we could use Duco
as a substitute?

As for Copydex and Evostick, I can't seem to find any substitutes
that are available in the U.S. Would a simple liquid latex work? Is
the Copydex clear?


Chuck Vance

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:34:45 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote...:

You can of course try treating the feathers with concrete, or winding them
around expensive and completely superfluous needle tools. This is a matter
of personal choice.

Well, I believe that everything happens for a reason. It was worth the
loss of £20, not to mention a certain degree of dignity, to get the
feedback I've received. I'm also grateful for the caddis wing tip.


John
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
-- Abraham Maslow

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:59:55 -0600, Conan the Librarian
wrote...:

Mike Connor wrote:

snip

As for Copydex and Evostick, I can't seem to find any substitutes
that are available in the U.S. Would a simple liquid latex work? Is
the Copydex clear?

As far as I can remember, copydex is white when wet. Last time I used
it, I was in primary school, (elementary.) I think that it does turn
translucent when it's dry.


John
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
-- Abraham Maslow

"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
...
SNIP
You will not find this particular method anywhere else, as I invented it
quite some time ago, and up to now I have only told a few people about
it.

Thanks for the useful info.

According to what I can find via Google, Durofix is a cellulose
nitrate glue just like Duco cement. So I'm guessing we could use Duco
as a substitute?

As for Copydex and Evostick, I can't seem to find any substitutes
that are available in the U.S. Would a simple liquid latex work? Is
the Copydex clear?


Chuck Vance

Sorry, I don´t know "Duco", but if you try the test I mentioned, you will
soon know if it is suitable.

Liquid latex will work. Copydex is a milky white but dries clear. Any
flexible rubber type solution contact adhesive will usually work, but some
are better than others.

TL
MC

"Neko" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:34:45 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote...:

You can of course try treating the feathers with concrete, or winding
them
around expensive and completely superfluous needle tools. This is a
matter
of personal choice.

Well, I believe that everything happens for a reason. It was worth the
loss of £20, not to mention a certain degree of dignity, to get the
feedback I've received. I'm also grateful for the caddis wing tip.


OK! But I would rather have had the twenty quid as well!

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

Sorry, I don´t know "Duco", but if you try the test I mentioned, you will
soon know if it is suitable.

You mean when I manage to permanently stick my fingers together? ;-)

FWIW, here's a fact-sheet on the stuff:
http://www.devcon.com/techinfo/207.pdf

Liquid latex will work. Copydex is a milky white but dries clear. Any
flexible rubber type solution contact adhesive will usually work, but some
are better than others.

So the problem is simply to identify what to look for here in the
U.S. Do you have any info on the chemical makeup of Copydex? That
might make it easier to find a substitute.


Chuck Vance

"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
...
Mike Connor wrote:

Sorry, I don´t know "Duco", but if you try the test I mentioned, you
will
soon know if it is suitable.

You mean when I manage to permanently stick my fingers together? ;-)

FWIW, here's a fact-sheet on the stuff:
http://www.devcon.com/techinfo/207.pdf

Liquid latex will work. Copydex is a milky white but dries clear. Any
flexible rubber type solution contact adhesive will usually work, but
some
are better than others.

So the problem is simply to identify what to look for here in the
U.S. Do you have any info on the chemical makeup of Copydex? That
might make it easier to find a substitute.


Chuck Vance

As I wrote, it is very difficult to advise here, as there are now so many
companies marketing adhesive and similar stuff. It may be the same stuf
under another name, or it may not. One´s only real recourse is to try it and
see.

Copydex is synthetic latex. Latex is rubber tree sap, or a synthetic
version. The natural liquid substance is milky white and congeals into pale
brown translucent rubber. UK readers will know it as Copydex, the glue you
should never spill on the carpet!

This multi purpose glue;
http://www.uhu.de/_uk/produkte/index_alles_viel_kon.jpg

Is the best for using on feathers and the like, using the methods I
described, and is available worldwide.

TL
MC

The stuff you need is the UHU extra. In a yellow tube with an orange
circle. This is the stuff that does not drip or run.

This is the second tube form the top on the left of the picture.

Sorry, I thought the URL would link to the exact product, but it does not do
so.

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

The stuff you need is the UHU extra. In a yellow tube with an orange
circle. This is the stuff that does not drip or run.

This is the second tube form the top on the left of the picture.

Sorry, I thought the URL would link to the exact product, but it does not do
so.

Thanks, Mike. It looks like I can get the UHU extra easily here in
the states. I'll give it a try.


Chuck Vance