figure 8 knot

Has anyone used the figure 8 knot for tying a loop on the end of a
monofilament line? Seems like it ought to work ok.

Ralph

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:21:19 GMT, wrote (with
possible editing):

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:25:46 GMT, "Pumper Hinkle"
wrote:

Has anyone used the figure 8 knot for tying a loop on the end of a
monofilament line? Seems like it ought to work ok.

The figure eight knot is sometimes used to tie on a hook/lure when
using coated metal leader. I wouldn't trust it to hold in mono. There
are much better knots that are just as easy to tie. For example; the
Perfection Loop or the Spider Hitch for heavier use,,,just to name
two.

Some pretty good info here http://www.marinews.com/fishing/fk_main.htm


Ralph

Wow, that's the best knot site I've ever seen. Thanks for posting it
Ralph.
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Larry
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From: "Larry Rappaport"


Ralph
|
| Wow, that's the best knot site I've ever seen. Thanks for posting it
| Ralph.
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|
| Larry
| Email to rapp at lmr dot com

You might want to check out the Palomar knot which is probably the best terminal knot.
http://www.fish4fun.com/palomarknot.htm

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:53:55 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
wrote (with possible editing):

You might want to check out the Palomar knot which is probably the best terminal knot.
http://www.fish4fun.com/palomarknot.htm

Thanks for that, but the palomar seems to be close to impossible for
small hooks on either leaders or regular 4 lb. test. It's hard or
impossible for me to get two thicknesses of line through the eye of
the hook.

Best,
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Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

"Pumper Hinkle" wrote in message
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Has anyone used the figure 8 knot for tying a loop on the end of a
monofilament line? Seems like it ought to work ok.

Ralph


I used to use it routinely for attaching a bell sinker to the end of a bait
rig with a couple dropper lood further up the line for my snelled hooks. I
would not use it for attaching an expensive crank bait. Probably the
perfection loop is best for that. Personally I prefer to tie a duolock snap
on the end of my line if I want a more free swinging bait at the end of the
line. I tie it with a Trilene knot. In my experience it is stronger than a
Palomar, and I have been tying it for nearly 30 years so I can tie it easier
and faster.

For those knot officianados, a friend of mine recently tried side by side
strength tests between unis, palomars, and Trilenes for terminal tackle. He
concluded that 80% of the time the Trilene took more force to break than the
Palomar, but he had better results than either with a uni. He said he tied
each knot about 20 times with two different strengths of mono and pulled on
them until they slipped or broke.

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From: "Larry Rappaport"

| On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:53:55 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
| wrote (with possible editing):
|
You might want to check out the Palomar knot which is probably the best terminal knot.
http://www.fish4fun.com/palomarknot.htm
|
| Thanks for that, but the palomar seems to be close to impossible for
| small hooks on either leaders or regular 4 lb. test. It's hard or
| impossible for me to get two thicknesses of line through the eye of
| the hook.
|
| Best,
| --
|
| Larry
| Email to rapp at lmr dot com

I have no problem from 4 lb. test to 17 lb test, from Fresh Water to Surf.

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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 17:40:59 GMT, wrote (with
possible editing):

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:08:49 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Pumper Hinkle" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Has anyone used the figure 8 knot for tying a loop on the end of a
monofilament line? Seems like it ought to work ok.

Ralph


I used to use it routinely for attaching a bell sinker to the end of a bait
rig with a couple dropper lood further up the line for my snelled hooks. I
would not use it for attaching an expensive crank bait. Probably the
perfection loop is best for that. Personally I prefer to tie a duolock snap
on the end of my line if I want a more free swinging bait at the end of the
line. I tie it with a Trilene knot. In my experience it is stronger than a
Palomar, and I have been tying it for nearly 30 years so I can tie it easier
and faster.

For those knot officianados, a friend of mine recently tried side by side
strength tests between unis, palomars, and Trilenes for terminal tackle. He
concluded that 80% of the time the Trilene took more force to break than the
Palomar, but he had better results than either with a uni. He said he tied
each knot about 20 times with two different strengths of mono and pulled on
them until they slipped or broke.

You can just about double the breaking strain of any knot by (line
size permitting.) running the line twice through what ever it is
you're tying to; hook, swivel, lure.

Sort of like an "Anchor Hitch."
http://www.tollesburysc.co.uk/Knots/Anchor_hitch.htm

I've done that as well. I've even starting using those little gadgets
made up of very fine wire for threading hooks in the 18 plus range,
but I can't ever seem to get two thicknesses through the eye of such
small flies.
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Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:18:33 GMT, wrote (with
possible editing):

I suspected that you were talking about flies or fly fishing hooks
when you said you couldn't get side by side 4# through the eye. I
think the gadget you speak of is called a needle threader and they do
come in handy when you get to a hook size of about 14 (4 for us old
guys!)

That's the one! I've got a lanyard around my neck with a bunch of
tools hanging off it. However, the needle threader is always getting
messed up because the wire is so fine. Do you have a better way to
keep it so that it doesn't always get bent up?

I was born in 1940, but will only admit to being 40. I was 39 for 20
years so I had to change the number!

A knot that works well for me and is pretty easy to tie on most any
size fly is the "Pitzen Knot." It has good strength and small size.
See it at: http://teosinte2.agron.missouri.edu/...ng/pitzen.html

I just use an improved clinch knot, but putting the flying end through
the eye formed at the far end looks stronger. The improved clinch,
though, is very easy to tie, particularly for old eyes!

A double Pitzen Knot can be used effectively to tie the tippet to
leader. See it he http://www.pechetruite.com/Noeuds/kleader3.htm

Thanks - here I use a blood knot, only because I have a tool which
makes it easy. A double pitzen looks stronger.
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Larry
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HTH