Catskills flooding

I'm forwarding along an email I just received. I'm having trouble
keeping track of who is posting what, but I'm sending it along unedited,
except for cutting out a picture. The rumor confirmations aren't mine

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Scott
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All,

The flooding in the Catskills has been said to be the worst ever. The
West Branch Angler is said not to be flooded, but GONE! Also reported
gone is the Riverside Restaurant.

Below are some emails I have received so far. When more pics come
through, I will forward.

Paul



A gas station off Route 17 in Roscoe, in Sullivan County, N.Y, was
swamped by water Wednesday from the flooded Beaver Kill.
(next to Roscoe Diner)(hope the picture came through)

PICTURE OBVIOUSLY SNIPPED, but shows flooding almost to the eaves


This from West Branch Angler's website.....

Due to flood damage West Branch Angler & Resort will be unopperational
indeffinatly or until further notice. All offices and cabins will be
closed for business if you have a reservation during these times your
deposit will be refunded in a timely fasion thank you for your patience.
Please do not call about your reservation being available, ALL
reservations are cancelled for the 2006 season.

From a friend Lenny.
All of the cabins have been destroyed...even the 2 new ones that went for
$600 per night. I literally saw a cabin just wash down the river. I took
my bike down the road to Jim Serio's house, hoping to see the effects at
Ball's Eddy...but just before Jim Serio's house, two huge 4 foot diameter
culverts were lifted up into the air at 45 degree angles and the road was
completely washed out. The water from the river was literally washing
over the road and into Harry's casting pond...the pond was not washing
into the river...on the road we saw 8 suckers and 1 trout swimming.
Don Tracy



Here are some of the stories I'm hearing from locals and on our radio.
1. The towns of Hancock, Deposit, Walton, Roscoe, Oneonta, Downsville,
Livingston Manor and others are totally flooded. (true)
2. All roads in the Counties of Delaware and Broome are closed to public
travel. (true)
3. Route 17 is closed between Deposit and Roscoe. (true)
4. On the Beaverkill the Butternut Grove Campground is gone, as is the
Riverside Restaurant in Horton. (Unconfirmed, but told to me by a usually
reliable source.)
5. The riverside cabins at the West Branch Angler washed away, not
flooded, but washed away. (This again unconfirmed but told to me by a
neighbor of the WBA who said he saw 2 of the cabins as they washed away
downstream.)

The list goes on. I plan to drive down to the river again this evening
for a look and may send an update???



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Scott Seidman wrote:
I'm forwarding along an email I just received. I'm having trouble
keeping track of who is posting what, but I'm sending it along unedited,
except for cutting out a picture. The rumor confirmations aren't mine

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

*******************************
All,

The flooding in the Catskills has been said to be the worst ever. The
West Branch Angler is said not to be flooded, but GONE! Also reported
gone is the Riverside Restaurant.

Below are some emails I have received so far. When more pics come
through, I will forward.

Paul



A gas station off Route 17 in Roscoe, in Sullivan County, N.Y, was
swamped by water Wednesday from the flooded Beaver Kill.
(next to Roscoe Diner)(hope the picture came through)

PICTURE OBVIOUSLY SNIPPED, but shows flooding almost to the eaves


This from West Branch Angler's website.....

Due to flood damage West Branch Angler & Resort will be unopperational
indeffinatly or until further notice. All offices and cabins will be
closed for business if you have a reservation during these times your
deposit will be refunded in a timely fasion thank you for your patience.
Please do not call about your reservation being available, ALL
reservations are cancelled for the 2006 season.

From a friend Lenny.
All of the cabins have been destroyed...even the 2 new ones that went for
$600 per night. I literally saw a cabin just wash down the river. I took
my bike down the road to Jim Serio's house, hoping to see the effects at
Ball's Eddy...but just before Jim Serio's house, two huge 4 foot diameter
culverts were lifted up into the air at 45 degree angles and the road was
completely washed out. The water from the river was literally washing
over the road and into Harry's casting pond...the pond was not washing
into the river...on the road we saw 8 suckers and 1 trout swimming.
Don Tracy



Here are some of the stories I'm hearing from locals and on our radio.
1. The towns of Hancock, Deposit, Walton, Roscoe, Oneonta, Downsville,
Livingston Manor and others are totally flooded. (true)
2. All roads in the Counties of Delaware and Broome are closed to public
travel. (true)
3. Route 17 is closed between Deposit and Roscoe. (true)
4. On the Beaverkill the Butternut Grove Campground is gone, as is the
Riverside Restaurant in Horton. (Unconfirmed, but told to me by a usually
reliable source.)
5. The riverside cabins at the West Branch Angler washed away, not
flooded, but washed away. (This again unconfirmed but told to me by a
neighbor of the WBA who said he saw 2 of the cabins as they washed away
downstream.)

The list goes on. I plan to drive down to the river again this evening
for a look and may send an update???
[snip]

This is a major bummer. My heart and best wishes go out to anyone
affected by this disaster. I am, however, convinced that these events
are simple plumbing problems that could be solved if we wanted to.
There's always too much water in some places and not enough water in
others. The farmers in about 25 counties east of here could sure use
some of that water. We need a CCC, a real leader, to establish
irrigation and flood control that works.

TBone

On 29 Jun 2006 20:24:13 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:
I'm forwarding along an email I just received. I'm having trouble
keeping track of who is posting what, but I'm sending it along unedited,
except for cutting out a picture. The rumor confirmations aren't mine

I'm pretty sure I saw a video last night on the news of the Riverside
Restaurant being pulled into the river after its foundation was undermined...

/daytripper

On 29 Jun 2006 20:24:13 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:


The flooding in the Catskills has been said to be the worst ever. The
West Branch Angler is said not to be flooded, but GONE! Also reported
gone is the Riverside Restaurant.

Catskill Flies in Roscoe seemed to have survived; their forum is up
today and there are a lot of up to date postings and a few photos
about the flood.
I'd like to read about what you found on your trip there tonight.
Kiyu

This post was about WBA.

"Posted on another site (NEFF) about the West Branch Angler:

Just wanted to give a damage report to let everyone know kinda where
we are instead of just hearing passing rumors. Due to the level of the
water some cabins were dislodged from there foundations this happened
in the 1st row 1 - 12. Although this did make a huge mess structurally
it appears that cabins are ok. I was just inside of most of them and
they appear much better than I was expecting to find. We did lose what
appears to be 5 cabins a few are down stream not sure if they are
recoverable.

Cabins 15 - 23 appear to only have flood damage on the floor level and
appear to be fine on a structure basis.

CEO Cabins did take water but no structure damage reported

Flyshop and Restaurant had no damage. "

wrote in message
This is a major bummer. My heart and best wishes go out to anyone
affected by this disaster. I am, however, convinced that these events
are simple plumbing problems that could be solved if we wanted to.
There's always too much water in some places and not enough water in
others. The farmers in about 25 counties east of here could sure use
some of that water. We need a CCC, a real leader, to establish
irrigation and flood control that works.

TBone


woo-hoo!!! I haven't thought about your transcontinental
piping and pumping system idea for a while!!
Tom

GM wrote in :

And this is a tailwater, what, 6 or 7 miles from Cannonsville
reservoir??? I suppose when a reservoir is at 113% of capacity it's
like it's not even the

http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dep/html/maplevels.html


There is concern about reservior management, but the Beaverkill and
Willowemoc areas are every bit as flooded as the Delaware. When that much
rain comes down, there's gonna be flooding.

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Scott
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On 30 Jun 2006 07:09:23 -0700, wrote:


Tom Littleton wrote:
wrote in message
This is a major bummer. My heart and best wishes go out to anyone
affected by this disaster. I am, however, convinced that these events
are simple plumbing problems that could be solved if we wanted to.
There's always too much water in some places and not enough water in
others. The farmers in about 25 counties east of here could sure use
some of that water. We need a CCC, a real leader, to establish
irrigation and flood control that works.

TBone


woo-hoo!!! I haven't thought about your transcontinental
piping and pumping system idea for a while!!

Still seems pretty fundamental and doable to me.

Uh huh.

You have a plan to move tens of *trillions* of cubic feet of rainfall out of a
roughly 150,000 square mile area comprised of hundreds of watersheds *before*
it all translates into the widespread flooding that we've been seeing?

/daytripper (I think Tom has the right approach on your solution ;-)

Does anyone know of a good website that may list road closings in and
around Sullivan County?

Got one:
travelinfony.com
Thanks anyway.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:59:09 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On 30 Jun 2006 07:09:23 -0700, wrote:


Tom Littleton wrote:
wrote in message
This is a major bummer. My heart and best wishes go out to anyone
affected by this disaster. I am, however, convinced that these events
are simple plumbing problems that could be solved if we wanted to.
There's always too much water in some places and not enough water in
others. The farmers in about 25 counties east of here could sure use
some of that water. We need a CCC, a real leader, to establish
irrigation and flood control that works.

TBone


woo-hoo!!! I haven't thought about your transcontinental
piping and pumping system idea for a while!!

Still seems pretty fundamental and doable to me.

Uh huh.

You have a plan to move tens of *trillions* of cubic feet of rainfall out of a
roughly 150,000 square mile area comprised of hundreds of watersheds *before*
it all translates into the widespread flooding that we've been seeing?

/daytripper (I think Tom has the right approach on your solution ;-)

Tim, I don't really recall any of the details of your plan (and frankly,
no, I don't want you to help me do so) or even if you were/are serious,
but there is no practical way to stop or redirect things like what the
US Northeast is experiencing (or what the Gulf Coast went through with
the storms). It isn't just the gathering of such vast quantities of
water (alone impossible from a practical standpoint), it's the
processing/treatment/filtering (I can't imagine, given today's rules and
regs, a system that would allow water from such a situation to be
transported completely unprocessed but IAC, again impossible from a
practical standpoint), the transport system (at least _possible_, and
even perhaps a chance that it might, given several decades, amortize as
to be economically prudent, but requiring multiple decades to complete).
The fact of the matter is that man can't practically control nature to
that extent. If one chooses to live where floods are probable,
surprise, surprise - one runs the risk of a flood, and if one chooses to
live in an arid area, one shouldn't be all that surprised when it's dry.

To give you an idea of the scale of what you're talking about, when
everything is working and online, New Orleans (the city itself, not
Orleans parish or the surrounding parishes) has (and had pre-Katrina)
about 150 pumps that can pump something like 25 billion gallons a day
(close to 20 million gals a minute), and major rainfalls can strain
them. Back about 10 years ago, when the capacity was about 75% of the
above, a major rainfall flooded quite a bit of the city (not even close
to the levels of Katrina, but not just a few puddles, either) because
the pumping stations were overwhelmed. And that's a system where,
essentially, you're pumping out a bowl into adjacent waterways.
Forgetting required head pressures, friction calculations, etc., etc.,
etc., the size of the pipe required to move this amount, dead level and
in some miracle frictionless pipe, would be something like a couple of
hundred feet in diameter (_VERY_ roughly calculated based on 4" carrying
800 GPM and roughly guessing at the exponential increase in carrying
capacity as diameter increases - IAC, it'd be one big friggin' pipe).

TC,
R