weight to thrust ratio

Does anyone have any idea of the weight to thrust ratio of your average
Carp? For example, how much breaking strain can a 10 llb fish exert
onto your fishing line in open snag free water?

I unintentionaly caught a lively 11lb carp on 3lb line once.
The trick of course is to have the clutch set properly, with some skilled
additional pressure when you can on the spool from your thumb, and hope you
dont get snagged. In theory, as long as you dont get snagged, have all the
time in the world, and plenty of line on the spool, you could land a whale
on 10lb line.

If you want a scientific answer, and dont get one from this group, try
rec.puzzles - those guys really like to get their teeth into a query - they
gave me a great response recently on weighing a fish that is too heavy for
my scales!

Ian

"peakstroller" wrote in message
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Does anyone have any idea of the weight to thrust ratio of your average
Carp? For example, how much breaking strain can a 10 llb fish exert
onto your fishing line in open snag free water?

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Does anyone have any idea of the weight to thrust ratio of your average
Carp? For example, how much breaking strain can a 10 llb fish exert
onto your fishing line in open snag free water?

Carp are one of the few fish for which this might be a meaningful way to
calculate the required bs - but even carp have a few extra-stress inducing
tricks - ok they don't jump or change direction and speed suddenly and
they've no high speed tricks but they do sometimes grind to a halt (or get
stuck in a corner) and bang the line with their tail which must double the
ordinary stress.

I doubt a fish often pulls much over a fifth of it's weight in a straight
heave. The ratio is more likely to be a function of its length than its
weight. Long lean 'wild' type fish (*I saw your other post - no they're not
native, just the first introduction.) seem to pull above their weight (and
do give a rudimentary fight if taken on tackle that gives them a chance)
while spherical mirrors merely chug along appearing to depend as much on
momentum as tail power.

Short of including a high-tech stress measuring device in the rig there's no
easy way to measure the force. You might try using a light line and
listening to the pitch of the line as it sings in the wind then hook the
same length of line to a spring balance and pull until you get the same
pitch while a friend reads the scale.

Cheerio.

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Derek Moody wrote:
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Does anyone have any idea of the weight to thrust ratio of your average
Carp? For example, how much breaking strain can a 10 llb fish exert
onto your fishing line in open snag free water?

Carp are one of the few fish for which this might be a meaningful way to
calculate the required bs - but even carp have a few extra-stress inducing
tricks - ok they don't jump or change direction and speed suddenly and
they've no high speed tricks but they do sometimes grind to a halt (or get
stuck in a corner) and bang the line with their tail which must double the
ordinary stress.

I doubt a fish often pulls much over a fifth of it's weight in a straight
heave. The ratio is more likely to be a function of its length than its
weight. Long lean 'wild' type fish (*I saw your other post - no they're not
native, just the first introduction.) seem to pull above their weight (and
do give a rudimentary fight if taken on tackle that gives them a chance)
while spherical mirrors merely chug along appearing to depend as much on
momentum as tail power.

Short of including a high-tech stress measuring device in the rig there's no
easy way to measure the force. You might try using a light line and
listening to the pitch of the line as it sings in the wind then hook the
same length of line to a spring balance and pull until you get the same
pitch while a friend reads the scale.

Cheerio.

ha ha very good lol

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, zippo, gave forth these words of wisdom:
ha ha very good lol
And why, might I ask, have you sent this reply:
Derek has probably told us more in his reply to this topic than your
brain could assimilate in a lifetime.
I wonder

--
Alec Powell

(Waiting for the Great Leap Forwards)

Watlington
Oxfordshire
UK

"peakstroller" wrote in message
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Does anyone have any idea of the weight to thrust ratio of your average
Carp? For example, how much breaking strain can a 10 llb fish exert
onto your fishing line in open snag free water?


Don't know the specific answer to your question. However, Ime lb for lb the
leaner species of carp put up a better fight ....... so Grass Carp and Ghost
Carp are more of a problem than say Commons or Mirrors. Within the same
species the younger leaner fish often fight better. For example, fat old out
of condition Mirrors are often very poor fighters compared to younger
examples.

Also set-up makes a lot of difference. For example, fishing with an adequate
pole with say Black Hydrolastic, 5lb line, a No 14 barbless hook will (if
you 'play' the fish properly) allow you to successfully land Carp in open
snag free water _far_ larger than 10lb ..... over double that size should be
ok. Proper use of the pole and patience become the key requirement. You may
need to sit down for 10 minutes after you release the fish to regain your
composure before fishing again _but_ you will be back for more of the same.
However, if snags are within range you may be better advised to use a
standard (and maybe higher rated) hollow elastic (less stretch than hydro).

Sticking with set-up and keeping snags aside Carp Anglers who fish say heavy
weights with pva bags at distance are more likely to need a heavier line to
prevent crack-off when casting ........ not for when they are actually
playing the fish .... that becomes just a few minutes of steer and wind.

That's just two examples _but_ ones I am familiar with .......

Richard