Crackleback vs. Griffith's Gnat (another newbie question)

I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My
gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey,
how do you learn if you don't ask...

"mdk77" wrote in message
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I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks:
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My
gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey,
how do you learn if you don't ask...

Not a stupid question, but asked in the wrong place. Only the fish can give
you a definitive answer.

Wolfgang
who, forced to divulge a personal opinion, would probably opt for
both.......else how can the question be put to the test?

mdk77 wrote:
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both?

I'm guessing you must be planning to fish in Missouri somewhere
because that's the only place I know of where a Crackleback would
be on the recommended list. It is definitely a "regional fly".

My advice would be to buy the pattern sheet and the dyed turkey
rounds plus an actual Crackleback to copy directly from Feathercraft.

http://www.feather-craft.com/2007mas...ge.asp?page=94

A Crackleback resembles a Griffith's Gnat like a poodle resembles
a fox terrier, I mean they're both dogs, but ...

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 6 Dec, 21:44, mdk77 wrote:
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...0502fotw..html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My
gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey,
how do you learn if you don't ask...

No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffith´s Gnat;

http://thomaszuellich.de/Fliegendose/griffiths_e.html

TL
MC

On Dec 6, 3:02 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
mdk77 wrote:
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both?

I'm guessing you must be planning to fish in Missouri somewhere
because that's the only place I know of where a Crackleback would
be on the recommended list. It is definitely a "regional fly".

My advice would be to buy the pattern sheet and the dyed turkey
rounds plus an actual Crackleback to copy directly from Feathercraft.

http://www.feather-craft.com/2007mas...ge.asp?page=94

A Crackleback resembles a Griffith's Gnat like a poodle resembles
a fox terrier, I mean they're both dogs, but ...

--
Ken Fortenberry

Thanks Ken. That's good advice. It's pretty humbling to be a newbie
and have to ask so many questions like this. But I figure that if I
never ask, I'll never learn.

On Dec 6, 3:23 pm, mdk77 wrote:
On Dec 6, 3:02 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:



mdk77 wrote:
I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both?

I'm guessing you must be planning to fish in Missouri somewhere
because that's the only place I know of where a Crackleback would
be on the recommended list. It is definitely a "regional fly".

My advice would be to buy the pattern sheet and the dyed turkey
rounds plus an actual Crackleback to copy directly from Feathercraft.

http://www.feather-craft.com/2007mas...ge.asp?page=94

A Crackleback resembles a Griffith's Gnat like a poodle resembles
a fox terrier, I mean they're both dogs, but ...

--
Ken Fortenberry

Thanks Ken. That's good advice. It's pretty humbling to be a newbie
and have to ask so many questions like this. But I figure that if I
never ask, I'll never learn.

p.s. Ken, you're correct in that I'm heading to fish the Taneycomo,
(Missouri) tailwaters, about a mile down from the dam.

More info;

http://www.danica.com/flytier/tzuell...fiths_gnat.htm

On Dec 6, 3:22 pm, Mike wrote:
On 6 Dec, 21:44, mdk77 wrote:

I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My
gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey,
how do you learn if you don't ask...

No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffith´s Gnat;

http://thomaszuellich.de/Fliegendose/griffiths_e.html

TL
MC

Thanks Mike. That's a neat site. I liked this link from that site (a
page of fly patterns):
http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweile...weilenmann.htm

Mike wrote in news:19e577a7-cb14-4f37-8f19-
:

No idea, but if you want an easy way to dress the Griffithïs Gnat;


A newbie should learn how to deal with peacock herl the correct way.
Nothing like the basics. There's a very good description in The Benchside
Reference, that makes use of the fact that there's a long side and a short
side to the herl, and you tie it on such that the long side protrudes.


--
Scott
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"mdk77" wrote in message
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I'm beginning the process of tying my flies for next season, which
will be my 2nd season of fly fishing. One place I'm planning on
fishing for Rainbow & Brown trout next season has two flies on the
"recommended list" that look kind of similar to my newbie eyes:

Cracklebacks:
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...80502fotw.html

Griffith's Gnats: http://hipwader.com/2004/tying-griffiths-gnat-pattern

Are these different enough to make it worth my while to tie both? My
gut feeling is that this is probably a real stupid question, but hey,
how do you learn if you don't ask...


the biggest difference, IMO, is size; the basic form being similar.

cracklebacks are larger
griffins gnats are typcially smaller