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The Times reports today that T. Boone Pickens, the Texas
billionaire who bankrolled the Swiftboaters has welshed on his offer to pay anyone a million dollars if they could prove the Swiftboaters were liars. John Kerry signed a SF-180 which allowed the release of all his military records and a group of veterans who served with Kerry used those records and sworn affidavits to document ten lies. But Pickens refuses to pay. No surprise there, if there's one thing we know about the Swiftboaters it's that they're liars. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-says-no-deal/ So OK, that's history, fast forward to the present. I have two related questions. If John McCain's superior officers did not see him as qualified to serve as a flag officer (Rear Admiral) why should the voters see him as qualified to be Commander in Chief ? What did his fellow officers know about this screwup of a cadet who finished near the bottom of his class ? (As an aside, how does a screwup like that get a plum assignment like flying planes off a carrier ? Son and grandson of Admirals perhaps ?) There is only one way to know why John McCain was never going to be an Admiral and that is for John McCain to submit, as John Kerry did, a SF-180 releasing all his military records in full. Why won't he do that ? And question number three, why isn't the media all over this like stink on **** ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:16:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: why should the voters see him as qualified to be Commander in Chief ? For the same reason they voted for a draft dodger? For the same reason they voted for someone who only served 1/2 a tour in Nam as a Spec 4 and then flunked out of divinity school. For the same reason they voted for an O3 with an "unusual" discharge? Lots of navy captains do not make admiral. The important thing to remember is that he made O6 (Captain) and that requires a helluva lot of leadership qualities. Obama has done what? Actually served as a senator for 143 days? I'll take the leadership of navy captain any day to an inexperienced charasmatic senator. And, if you think flying off a carrier on wartime sorties is a "plum job", then you know diddly **** about flying or carriers. He was there flying in harm's way. Your guy was at Oxford demonstrating against the US while McCain was escaping from his exploding A4 Skyhawk after the fire on Forrestal. McCain was almost killed in that fire. The Forrestal was removed from the theater and returned home. The entire air wing went with it, except for a few pilots that volunteered to change to a different carrier air group. McCain volunteered for than trasfer. McCain has an honored family background of Naval heros. Your guy has a black muslim father and a white mother whom he is ashamed of because she's white. He was raised by his white grandparents, but praises not them but his father. Plum job, my ass. All of your boys are the ones with the plum jobs, Ken. Talk about trying to swiftboat Obama.............. Dave |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: why should the voters see him as qualified to be Commander in Chief ? For the same reason they voted for a draft dodger? Uh, OK. That works for me but I'm surprised to hear that you voted for a draft dodger. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Uh, OK. That works for me but I'm surprised to hear that you voted for a draft dodger. Bush was of course a cocaine sniffing draft dodger. The National Guard fights in wars these days. But they didn't back then. You couldn't get into the guard then, if you didn't know somebody--because it was the best and most "honorable" way to dodge combat (in the early Vietnam days anyway, when Bush League went in). Then he went awol and then his records disappeared. Dozens of people have reported his cocaine abuse. Most recently, McClellan documented Bush's awkward refusal to deny sniffing cocaine. Repugnicans are in denial on this. They want to have a **** fit because Bill Clinton didn' inhale. But they have blinders on when it comes to their own draft dodging cocaine sniffing moron president. Idiots of a feather flock together..... -- /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh --O0 ** Have code will travel */ |
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salmobytes typed:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Uh, OK. That works for me but I'm surprised to hear that you voted for a draft dodger. Bush was of course a cocaine sniffing draft dodger. The National Guard fights in wars these days. But they didn't back then. You couldn't get into the guard then, if you didn't know somebody--because it was the best and most "honorable" way to dodge combat (in the early Vietnam days anyway, when Bush League went in). Then he went awol and then his records disappeared. Dozens of people have reported his cocaine abuse. Most recently, McClellan documented Bush's awkward refusal to deny sniffing cocaine. Repugnicans are in denial on this. They want to have a **** fit because Bill Clinton didn' inhale. But they have blinders on when it comes to their own draft dodging cocaine sniffing moron president. Idiots of a feather flock together..... Is this the same Sandy that doesn't want to get involved in these political discussions? Just asking. -- TL, Tim (who is guessing there may be a "good-Sandy" and a "bad-Sandy.") ------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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![]() On 26-Jun-2008, salmobytes wrote: Idiots of a feather flock together... Is that true? Fat pirates , Wolfgang and rdean - all have feathers?? Wow! Fred |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:16:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: The Times reports today that T. Boone Pickens, the Texas billionaire who bankrolled the Swiftboaters has welshed on his offer to pay anyone a million dollars if they could prove the Swiftboaters were liars. John Kerry signed a SF-180 which allowed the release of all his military records and a group of veterans who served with Kerry used those records and sworn affidavits to document ten lies. But Pickens refuses to pay. No surprise there, if there's one thing we know about the Swiftboaters it's that they're liars. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-says-no-deal/ So OK, that's history, fast forward to the present. I have two related questions. If John McCain's superior officers did not see him as qualified to serve as a flag officer (Rear Admiral) why should the voters see him as qualified to be Commander in Chief ? What did his fellow officers know about this screwup of a cadet who finished near the bottom of his class ? (As an aside, how does a screwup like that get a plum assignment like flying planes off a carrier ? Son and grandson of Admirals perhaps ?) There is only one way to know why John McCain was never going to be an Admiral and that is for John McCain to submit, as John Kerry did, a SF-180 releasing all his military records in full. Why won't he do that ? And question number three, why isn't the media all over this like stink on **** ? Um, "the media" ought to "get involved" because one blog has alleged that someone is not living up to what another blog (alleged by the first blog to be merely "sympathetic" to the someone in question) claimed he said he'd do? Ah, well, maybe "the media" are just too busy not being all over Obama's well-documented personally-delivered promises covered by "the media" that he'd stick to public funding and then, didn't live up to those promises...like stink on ****... ....or maybe "the media" is just swamped...digging through the McCain recipe files... And, ahem, while it's otherwise known as "the voice of the right-wing," but you might wish to glance at this: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/040...g,51276,1.html and this: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/052...g,64705,6.html HTH, R |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:01:32 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote: salmobytes typed: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Uh, OK. That works for me but I'm surprised to hear that you voted for a draft dodger. Bush was of course a cocaine sniffing draft dodger. The National Guard fights in wars these days. But they didn't back then. You couldn't get into the guard then, if you didn't know somebody--because it was the best and most "honorable" way to dodge combat (in the early Vietnam days anyway, when Bush League went in). Then he went awol and then his records disappeared. Dozens of people have reported his cocaine abuse. Most recently, McClellan documented Bush's awkward refusal to deny sniffing cocaine. Repugnicans are in denial on this. They want to have a **** fit because Bill Clinton didn' inhale. But they have blinders on when it comes to their own draft dodging cocaine sniffing moron president. Idiots of a feather flock together..... Is this the same Sandy that doesn't want to get involved in these political discussions? Just asking. Hey, it could be - I see no evidence of "discussion," political or otherwise, in Sandy's reply...why, heck, he could have even PROMISED not to get involved in political discussions and only a blog...or a guy on USENET...would be able to call him a liar... HTH, R |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:10:14 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:16:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry wrote: why should the voters see him as qualified to be Commander in Chief ? For the same reason they voted for a draft dodger? For the same reason they voted for someone who only served 1/2 a tour in Nam as a Spec 4 and then flunked out of divinity school. For the same reason they voted for an O3 with an "unusual" discharge? And that has to do with McCain how, exactly? Lots of navy captains do not make admiral. The important thing to remember is that he made O6 (Captain) and that requires a helluva lot of leadership qualities. Generally speaking, yes, but let's not get into fantasyland here - there have been officers of all ranks that, er, "wasn't fit to shovel **** from one place to a'ner..." Obama has done what? As to executive governance, nothing, as the record clearly demonstrates... ....but OTOH, very few newly-elected US Presidents have had prior experience as US Presidents...only one, IIRC, has had prior experience...and that won't change this year, either... Actually served as a senator for 143 days? I'll take the leadership of navy captain any day to an inexperienced charasmatic senator. Um...howsabout Duke Cunningham...? And, if you think flying off a carrier on wartime sorties is a "plum job", then you know diddly **** about flying or carriers. He was there flying in harm's way. Your guy was at Oxford demonstrating against the US while McCain was escaping from his exploding A4 Skyhawk after the fire on Forrestal. McCain was almost killed in that fire. The Forrestal was removed from the theater and returned home. The entire air wing went with it, except for a few pilots that volunteered to change to a different carrier air group. McCain volunteered for than trasfer. McCain has an honored family background of Naval heros. Your guy has a black muslim father and a white mother whom he is ashamed of because she's white. He was raised by his white grandparents, but praises not them but his father. Plum job, my ass. All of your boys are the ones with the plum jobs, Ken. Talk about trying to swiftboat Obama.............. Well, we could, or we could just, um, call a spade a spade: both candidates, their respective parties, and their most ardent supporters are practicing politics as usual...the first rule of which is to claim you're gonna do what the people want - if they are happy, you promise to insure the status quo and if they are unhappy, you claim you're the only person in the country who can bring about change... HTH, R Dave |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:23:48 GMT, "Fred"
wrote: On 26-Jun-2008, salmobytes wrote: Idiots of a feather flock together... Is that true? Fat pirates , Wolfgang and rdean - all have feathers?? Well, sure...I mean, what's so unusual about on-topic FLY fishermen having feathers...geez, Fred, whatsamattayou - you a worm and Nibblets kinda gal...? Wow! Wow, indeed... Fred There was no doubt about it... HTH, R |
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