Um, Tom, Ken, et al...

In light of a recent discussion...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-03-31.html

HTH,
R

wrote:
In light of a recent discussion...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-03-31.html

What was the premise of the recent discussion ? Was it that
West Wing somehow paved the way for Obama ? I don't know,
there may be some validity to that but I think it's more a
case of West Wing and Obama both appeal to a certain segment
of the voting public.

Hell Moses was the president of the NRA, what are we to make
of that ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:07:25 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
In light of a recent discussion...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-03-31.html

What was the premise of the recent discussion ? Was it that
West Wing somehow paved the way for Obama ?

Yes, but only as a general, minor-ish factor.

I don't know,
there may be some validity to that but I think it's more a
case of West Wing and Obama both appeal to a certain segment
of the voting public.

....with guilty white liberals making up a large portion of that certain
segment...

Hell Moses was the president of the NRA, what are we to make
of that ?

That Wayne LaPierre is a turd...

So, OK, it's true enough that any mention of the NRA, otherwise positive,
negative, or simply neutral, should include reference to his being a turd...

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I think it's more a
case of West Wing and Obama both appeal to a certain segment
of the voting public.

...with guilty white liberals making up a large portion of that certain
segment...

And shameless, but ought to feel guilty, white conservatives make up
a certain segment of the GOP voting public. So what ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

RDean:
I figure you aimed this fascinating item at Forty and myself, but who's
al?g
Tom

On Apr 2, 5:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
RDean:
* I figure you aimed this fascinating item at Forty and myself, but who's
al?g
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

And how come you guys 'et him?

--riverman

On Apr 2, 12:07*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
In light of a recent discussion...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...eal-spotlight-...

What was the premise of the recent discussion ? Was it that
West Wing somehow paved the way for Obama ? I don't know,
there may be some validity to that but I think it's more a
case of West Wing and Obama both appeal to a certain segment
of the voting public.


I think its credible that the PLOT of the West Wing indoctrinated
(innoculated?) Americans to the concept of a candidate such as Obama.
There are tons of anecdotes about life imitating art, its not
unprecedented that the combined popularity of WW, the fuzzy boundary
between reality and TV that pervades our culture, and the vague
similarities in teh plot could have had an impact on voters. At the
very least, it would have softened the 'such a thing has never
happened' reaction. More likely, some folks saw and consciously
decided to participate in the similarities. I saw the parallels weeks
before the election, when there was pressure from the DNC to have
either Hillary or Obama step out to resolve internal dissent. I was
waiting for BO to come roaring back at the convention and win by a
last-minute impassioned speech.

Hell, Moses was the president of the NRA, what are we to make
of that ?


Hmmm. Firm, authoratative personality, rigid morals, sense of self-
righteousness....what more could the NRA membership want in a leader
while there is an anti-gun lobby out there. It seems like a good fit,
even if Heston was actually quite different than his Ben Hur/Moses
personna.

--riverman

On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:20:52 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:

On Apr 2, 12:07*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
In light of a recent discussion...

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...eal-spotlight-...

What was the premise of the recent discussion ? Was it that
West Wing somehow paved the way for Obama ? I don't know,
there may be some validity to that but I think it's more a
case of West Wing and Obama both appeal to a certain segment
of the voting public.


I think its credible that the PLOT of the West Wing indoctrinated
(innoculated?) Americans to the concept of a candidate such as Obama.

Er, no, or at least, not completely. The main error is applying it to
"Americans" (ignoring for the moment that folks in the Andes are "Americans,"
too) as a whole. Most "Americans" never saw and know little about "The West
Wing." It was its primary audience of (allegedly-)educated guilty white
liberals that would have received further "indoctrination" to the enrapturement
of an Obama.

There are tons of anecdotes about life imitating art, its not
unprecedented that the combined popularity of WW, the fuzzy boundary
between reality and TV that pervades our culture, and the vague
similarities in teh plot could have had an impact on voters. At the
very least, it would have softened the 'such a thing has never
happened' reaction. More likely, some folks saw and consciously
decided to participate in the similarities. I saw the parallels weeks
before the election, when there was pressure from the DNC to have
either Hillary or Obama step out to resolve internal dissent. I was
waiting for BO to come roaring back at the convention and win by a
last-minute impassioned speech.

Right. Just like Jeb Bartlet or Jimmy Smits - you know, real American saviors -
would have made...it's too bad Leo died - he might have been a real help to an
Obama administration...

HTH,
R

On Apr 2, 8:52*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:20:52 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
I saw the parallels weeks
before the election, when there was pressure from the DNC to have
either Hillary or Obama step out to resolve internal dissent. I was
waiting for BO to come roaring back at the convention and win by a
last-minute impassioned speech.

Right. *Just like Jeb Bartlet or Jimmy Smits - you know, real American saviors -
would have made...it's too bad Leo died - he might have been a real help to an
Obama administration...



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/ar...on/30wing.html

--riverman

And then there's this. Hilarious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/op...wd-sorkin.html

I expecially like the line "The people who want English to be the
official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their
leaders being fluent in it."

:-)

--riverman