2 wt.

Im planning to expand the rod collection with a 2wt 4 or 5 piece for
some of the local Sierra streams.
For now Ive actually only considered the Redington Wayfarer (200$)
since I dont want to spend a
fortune. I was planning to wait until the ISE show and go and test cast
as many rods as possible.
But naturally I have to ask if there are any special recommendations
from anyone ?

Hello Svend,

It is pretty hard to find an inexpensive 2 weight rod especially in 4 or 5
pieces.

If a 2 weight rod will throw a 3 or 4 weight line well, it is not a 2 weight
rod.

We cast every rod made, especially low end light line rods to find a few
that really cast well. This is called "cherry picking".

You might have better luck with finding a 2 or 3 piece true #2 line rod if
you are looking around the $200 and under range.

The entire Sage/Redington 5pc Wayfarrer series at $195 is a great value.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com

"Svend Tang-Petersen" wrote in message
...

Im planning to expand the rod collection with a 2wt 4 or 5 piece for
some of the local Sierra streams.
For now Ive actually only considered the Redington Wayfarer (200$)
since I dont want to spend a
fortune. I was planning to wait until the ISE show and go and test cast
as many rods as possible.
But naturally I have to ask if there are any special recommendations
from anyone ?

Bill Kiene wrote:

Hello Svend,

It is pretty hard to find an inexpensive 2 weight rod especially in 4 or 5
pieces.

If a 2 weight rod will throw a 3 or 4 weight line well, it is not a 2 weight
rod.

We cast every rod made, especially low end light line rods to find a few
that really cast well. This is called "cherry picking".

You might have better luck with finding a 2 or 3 piece true #2 line rod if
you are looking around the $200 and under range.

The entire Sage/Redington 5pc Wayfarrer series at $195 is a great value.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com

"Svend Tang-Petersen" wrote in message
...

Im planning to expand the rod collection with a 2wt 4 or 5 piece for
some of the local Sierra streams.
For now Ive actually only considered the Redington Wayfarer (200$)
since I dont want to spend a
fortune. I was planning to wait until the ISE show and go and test cast
as many rods as possible.
But naturally I have to ask if there are any special recommendations
from anyone ?


Bill,

that was roughly the range I was looking in. Just didnt want to take the 'yet
another 6-700$ rod'
path.

I have a couple 2wts and fwiw, never use them "on local Sierra streams"

It seems a hike up a local freestone nearly always involves some point where
I want to use some weight to get down in that "lunker" hole, or a bigger dry
like a cricket, and a true 2wt ( see Bill's comment about rods called 2wt
that cast a heavier line ) will not deal with that

MY favorite "local Sierra streams" rod is an Orvis "Small Stream Special"
.... don't think it's made anymore .. a 5wt ( 4DT ) rod of 7 1/2 feet .... it
does it all in the small stream venue, and small fish don't "feel bigger"
on a 2wt ... than on the right 4/5wt

Now, god forbid that I should discourage anyone from spending on a new rod
.... but, imho, a true 2wt tops out at a short cast with a #14 dry .... if
you want to cast more you will be unhappy

Larry L wrote:

I have a couple 2wts and fwiw, never use them "on local Sierra streams"

It seems a hike up a local freestone nearly always involves some point where
I want to use some weight to get down in that "lunker" hole, or a bigger dry
like a cricket, and a true 2wt ( see Bill's comment about rods called 2wt
that cast a heavier line ) will not deal with that

MY favorite "local Sierra streams" rod is an Orvis "Small Stream Special"
... don't think it's made anymore .. a 5wt ( 4DT ) rod of 7 1/2 feet .... it
does it all in the small stream venue, and small fish don't "feel bigger"
on a 2wt ... than on the right 4/5wt

Now, god forbid that I should discourage anyone from spending on a new rod
... but, imho, a true 2wt tops out at a short cast with a #14 dry .... if
you want to cast more you will be unhappy

Larry,

my main usage for the 2wt would be on Hot Creek Ranch which is mainly runs and
its restricted
to 'dries only'. I usually bring my 4 and 6 as well. But thanks for the advice.

--

Svend

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Hot creek ranch makes great sense with a 2wt ( cept in the wind ...um, i.e.
nearly always :-) ... enjoy

I love my Sage light line 2wt, but, again... they don't make it anymore

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I
Now, god forbid that I should discourage anyone from spending on a new rod
... but, imho, a true 2wt tops out at a short cast with a #14 dry .... if
you want to cast more you will be unhappy


Maybe this is one instance where a "quality" rod might make a difference. I
use a now discontinued Sage SPL 2wt with the Sage quiet taper line made to
"match" the rod. Rod was purchased with late season Wisconsin Driftless area
spring creek midge fishing in mind but conditions at times have required
that size 8-10 crickets, weighted nymphs, and weighted wolly buggers have
been used with little difficulty once i adjusted the stroke.

In article , Wayne Knight
wrote:

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I
Now, god forbid that I should discourage anyone from spending on a new rod
... but, imho, a true 2wt tops out at a short cast with a #14 dry .... if
you want to cast more you will be unhappy


Maybe this is one instance where a "quality" rod might make a difference. I
use a now discontinued Sage SPL 2wt with the Sage quiet taper line made to
"match" the rod. Rod was purchased with late season Wisconsin Driftless area
spring creek midge fishing in mind but conditions at times have required
that size 8-10 crickets, weighted nymphs, and weighted wolly buggers have
been used with little difficulty once i adjusted the stroke.


FWIW I use a 3 weight Sage Quiet Taper and I've been shocked at the
size flies I've been able to make work. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one
of these lines for a lower weight rod. It isn't always pretty but
that's true of ALL my casting

Allen

Sad but true.........Dave Whitlock worked with Jerry Siem and the rest of
the guys at Sage to develope the now discontinued "SPL" series and the Sage
"Quiet Taper" lines for these great little rods. Wayne hit it on the head.
It is hard to find a real true great 2 weight rod at the low end price
point.

Years ago for about two years Joe Fisher @ Fisher Rods in Carson City made
me some little graphite, 8' #2 line, 2 piece economy "shop rods" that were
about $100? We sold tons of them for a while.

Right now TFO has the "Professional" series rods starting with an 8' #2
line, 3 piece model @ $139US.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com








"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I
Now, god forbid that I should discourage anyone from spending on a new
rod
... but, imho, a true 2wt tops out at a short cast with a #14 dry ....
if
you want to cast more you will be unhappy


Maybe this is one instance where a "quality" rod might make a difference.
I
use a now discontinued Sage SPL 2wt with the Sage quiet taper line made to
"match" the rod. Rod was purchased with late season Wisconsin Driftless
area
spring creek midge fishing in mind but conditions at times have required
that size 8-10 crickets, weighted nymphs, and weighted wolly buggers have
been used with little difficulty once i adjusted the stroke.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:23:54 GMT, (Greg Pavlov)
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 03:08:58 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

But, as my actual abilities have gradually increased, I find that I use the
2wt less and less and have come to perceive "better" as matching tools and
techniques to the situation in the best possible, most practical, "form
follows function" problem solving manner.


I agree with you in general, but I need a 2 wt
for those pygmy fish Peter takes me to on the
Grand River.


Oh, the ones *you* catch? Ya, I can understand that.

To the original poster - my main small stream rod over the years, has
been a medium action Winston 7'6" 5 wt. The fact that it's a Winston
is not important, the size is. Something slow to medium in a 7' to
7'6" -- 4wt. to 5 wt. rod makes for a more appropriate small stream
rod than these little sticks. Very small streams, like the ones the
Nawth Clackalackians fish, can benefit from something like a Hardy
glass 3 wt. but the average small stream (meaning something that runs
from 15' to 30' wide on average) will fish better with a rod that can
handle larger flies and the wind when need be.

So far I've only found one rod that doesn't follow this pattern, the
Diamondback 8'2" 2/3 wt. that I pried out of Uncle Wally's twitching
fingers. While rated a 2/3 (and it does cast those lines nicely) it's
fast progressive action would allow you to toss a 4 wt. on it. So it
has the backbone for bigger fish etc. but it will still cast these
teeny-weeny lines. It fires a 3 wt. with more authority than any
other 3 wt. I've tried, but it's the exception, not the rule. I have
owned one and two weights in the past but I've always ended up selling
them as the opportunity to use them as the Lord intended, was always
too limited and I'd always end up on the Upper Credit with the Winston
instead.

Peter

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