Replacement for sage 590 RPL

Just got back from a trip and broke the tip on my sage 590 RPL rod. This
rod had a life time guarantee. When sage replaces it I will sell it. I
have 2 rods the 590 RPL and a #3 LL. I have never liked the RPL. The tip
just does not flex enough for me.

What rods could you suggest for a #5 replacement which has a softer feel?
My #3 Sage LL is my favorite rod. The soft tip is what I am after. Do any
of you have a newer sage which is like the older LL series?

The RPL was a fine rod I just did not like the feel, others I fished with
tried it and thought it was great, it was just not my style.

Hi Sundog,

Actually Sage still produces the 'LL' or 'Light Line' series but they now
call it the 'VPS Lite' series.

They are in many sizes from 2 to 5 weight in 3 piece only. The one you want
is the 'Sage 590-3 VPS Lite'. This is still one of the finest 5 line trout
rods made for the angler who wants a delicate tip for lighter tippets.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


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Just got back from a trip and broke the tip on my sage 590 RPL rod. This
rod had a life time guarantee. When sage replaces it I will sell it. I
have 2 rods the 590 RPL and a #3 LL. I have never liked the RPL. The tip
just does not flex enough for me.

What rods could you suggest for a #5 replacement which has a softer feel?
My #3 Sage LL is my favorite rod. The soft tip is what I am after. Do
any
of you have a newer sage which is like the older LL series?

The RPL was a fine rod I just did not like the feel, others I fished with
tried it and thought it was great, it was just not my style.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:36:12 -0600, sundog wrote:

Just got back from a trip and broke the tip on my sage 590 RPL rod. This
rod had a life time guarantee. When sage replaces it I will sell it. I
have 2 rods the 590 RPL and a #3 LL. I have never liked the RPL. The tip
just does not flex enough for me.

What rods could you suggest for a #5 replacement which has a softer feel?
My #3 Sage LL is my favorite rod. The soft tip is what I am after. Do any
of you have a newer sage which is like the older LL series?

The RPL was a fine rod I just did not like the feel, others I fished with
tried it and thought it was great, it was just not my style.

I have the SLT and love it..

l

sundog wrote:
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The RPL was a fine rod I just did not like the feel, others I fished with
tried it and thought it was great, it was just not my style.

I have a 590-4 RPL and it's not my style either, but there are times
when it sees almost constant use while the 490-4 LL, the Winstons and
the 'boo sit idle. It is my favorite trout rod in a wind, or a gale,
or a friggin' late afternoon western typhoon. Try casting a hopper
into a gale with a slow rod and then fire up the RPL. Big difference.

And speaking of the RPL, where did the notion come from that silk
lines were the exclusive province of slow rods ? I put one of the
modern silk lines from Phoenix in 5DT on the RPL and I think the
lower profile silk line works very well on a relatively fast rod
like the RPL, especially in the wind.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken And speaking of the RPL, where did the notion come from that silk
Ken lines were the exclusive province of slow rods ? I put one of the
Ken modern silk lines from Phoenix in 5DT on the RPL and I think the
Ken lower profile silk line works very well on a relatively fast rod
Ken like the RPL, especially in the wind.

I assume that with lower profile you mean smaller diameter, right?
I've heard and read this about silk lines before, but I've never
understood it. ROFF is probably the best place to ask dumb question,
so please help me out.

Let's take two floating 5wt DT lines, one ordinary (plastic or
whatever), one silk. We know that their weight is the same for the
first 30'; let's cut the lines at 30', and let's denote the weight of
this 30' of line by the symbol m (don't worry, I'm not getting geared
up for a debate about adherence to the AFTM standards :-)).

So we have two pieces of line, each with weight m. Now let's assume
that these lines _float equally well_. This means that their densities
must be the same, right? So let's denote this (common) density by d.

Density is defined as the ratio of mass and volume, which we denote by
symbol V. That is d = m/V. Let's denote the volume of the ordinary
line (the 30' piece) by V1 and the volume of the silk line by V2. With
the assumptions that we had - both lines are 5wt and float equally
well - the volumes must be the same, since their masses and densities
are the same, and V1 = m/d = V2.

If the lines have the same volumes, their average diameters must be
equal. In fact, if they are both DT lines with similar tapers, then
they must have exactly the same profiles.

So, in my small mind it seems that in order for a 5wt silk line to
have a smaller diameter (lower profile) than an ordinary line, one of
the following must be true:

1. The silk line does not float as well as the ordinary line (because
it has a higher density).

2. The volume of the silk line is greater in water than in the
air. How would this be possible? Well, it just occurred to me that
air bubbles might attach themselves to the surface of the silk
line, thereby increasing its volume in water. Theoretically, that
is.

Or maybe it's really something completely different. You tell me.

--
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Jarmo Hurri wrote:
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So, in my small mind it seems that in order for a 5wt silk line to
have a smaller diameter (lower profile) than an ordinary line, one of
the following must be true:

1. The silk line does not float as well as the ordinary line (because
it has a higher density). ...

I think this is it. A silk line won't float at all unless you
dress it, usually with red Mucilin.

--
Ken Fortenberry

equations snipped So, in my small mind it seems that in order for
a 5wt silk line to have a smaller diameter (lower profile) than an
ordinary line, one of the following must be true:
1. The silk line does not float as well as the ordinary line (because
it has a higher density). ...

Ken I think this is it. A silk line won't float at all unless you
Ken dress it, usually with red Mucilin.

And does it even then float worse than an ordinary plastic line?

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Jarmo Hurri wrote:

Ken ... A silk line won't float at all unless you
Ken dress it, usually with red Mucilin.

And does it even then float worse than an ordinary plastic line?

It floats about the same for awhile, but it won't float all day
like a plastic line will.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken ... A silk line won't float at all unless you dress it, usually
Ken with red Mucilin.
And does it even then float worse than an ordinary plastic line?

Ken It floats about the same for awhile, but it won't float all day
Ken like a plastic line will.

I guess that as scientists, we need experiments: this is just all too
imprecise. :-)

But if it were to float just the same, then the density explanation
would not hold. I think that the task of the dressing is just to keep
the line from soaking water, that is, to keep its density the same all
the time.

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Jarmo Hurri wrote:
Ken ... A silk line won't float at all unless you dress it, usually
Ken with red Mucilin.

And does it even then float worse than an ordinary plastic line?


Ken It floats about the same for awhile, but it won't float all day
Ken like a plastic line will.

I guess that as scientists, we need experiments: this is just all too
imprecise. :-)

But if it were to float just the same, then the density explanation
would not hold. I think that the task of the dressing is just to keep
the line from soaking water, that is, to keep its density the same all
the time.

I'll leave the physics to others. All I know is I fish with it as
long as it floats and then I go drink Budweiser. I had the conceit
at one point that after the line started to sink I would strip it
off the reel, turn it around and fish the other end of the double
taper until it too started to sink, but that's when I felt I had
to fish all day. I rarely fish more than 3-4 hours at a time anymore
and the silk line will float just fine for that long.

--
Ken Fortenberry