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Howdy,
In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the CDC might add a bit of extra appeal. I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice. I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz" stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes. So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that you frequently make to traditional flies? Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations (http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...y_Code=cdc_elk) and was thinking about other variations. Any suggestions for other color schemes that have been succesful for you? Chuck Vance |
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Bucktail also works on trudes Lou "Conan The Librarian" wrote in message om... Howdy, In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the CDC might add a bit of extra appeal. I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice. I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz" stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes. So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that you frequently make to traditional flies? Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations (http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...Product_Code=c dc_elk100&Category_Code=cdc_elk) and was thinking about other variations. Any suggestions for other color schemes that have been succesful for you? Chuck Vance |
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Conan The Librarian wrote:
Howdy, In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the CDC might add a bit of extra appeal. I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice. I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz" stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes. So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that you frequently make to traditional flies? Hi Chuck- I've tied Trudes with an underwing of CDC for a few years now, but still use calf body as the overwing. I've found with a purely CDC wing, the profile and shadow it casts on the water isn't right and they aren't taken as regularly. Larry |
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![]() Conan The Librarian wrote: Howdy, In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the CDC might add a bit of extra appeal. I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice. I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz" stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes. Personally I tie most of my downwing flies with Elk but calf tail has different properties and I think it is better as a damp/wet fly. There was a local guy that got a reputation, years ago, for impressive catches he made on Rio Grande Kings ( a calf tail trude similar to the Pass Lake). The rumor was that he fished them damp and with action. CDC is very appealing to fish. I use it as an under wing on some patterns but I've never used it by itself in a down wing pattern. (I do however like CDC comparadun style flies especially for the small insects). So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that you frequently make to traditional flies? I think that most people who have been tying for some time usually make changes to traditional flies for a variety of reasons. There are few standard patterns I tie as "specified." Some changes are improvements and some aren't. Experimenting with patterns is what tying is about, IMO, and there is nothing more legitimate than trying out a sub. But for patterns that have been around a long time and are still effective, it's likely that the originator found some combinations that were appealing to fish. Willi |
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Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be worth a try. Steve (who just had an idea) Not sure if it what you had in mind Steve, but after your earlier rant about snowshoe feet, I tied up a "snowshoe caddis" version of the CDC Loopwing caddis (which is more or less an EHC without the palmered hackle and with CDC rather than deer hair from what I can see), using a snowshoe wing rather than CDC. I added a little folded feather overwing and a dubbed showshoe head. Very simple tie and the fly floated a treat and caught fish after fish without having to be dried - unlike CDC. Useful things these rabbits feet. I will be interested to see if someone has idears for dyeing it. I was interested in trying this myself but I worry a bit about boiling the feet seems more like soup making than dyeing. Vaughan |
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Stephen Welsh wrote in message .1.4...
[little snip] The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the windg and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some slack the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting. Hmmmm ... interesting as in the fishies seem to like it? :-) So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Yes. ;-) Just as I suspected. :-) [snip of various substitution suggestions] Actually some of the Mountain stream fishos might like the Blow Fly Humpy - Black Humpy with a blue tinsel body - http://www.flyfishingnz.co.nz/images/flies%20012.jpg Thanks for your suggestions. I remember seeing the blow fly before. It looks just gaudy enough to work. Don't forget you can swing the CDC & E. Variations: All white for a specific caddis species. Hot orange butts on tan and natural dun coloured flys for searchers. Untested green butt models look the goods as well. Thanks again for the ideas. I was playing around yesterday and tied up a cripple variation that looks interesting. Stole the idea from a Bruce Salzburg pattern that I ran across (http://www.danica.com/flytier/bsalzb...led_cdcelk.htm). I added an Antron shuck and tied up a couple with olive CDC and some of the comparadun hair that Blue Ribbon Flies sells (which is really beautiful stuff, BTW). I also tied up some more CDC & Elk in cinnamon, brown and dun. Some I tied up with a bleached elk wing, and some with the comparadun hair. Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be worth a try. Excellent. I've got a couple of feet but haven't yet incorporated them into any patterns. I'll definitely give that a try. Thanks, mate. :-) Chuck Vance |
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Larry Medina wrote in message om...
I've tied Trudes with an underwing of CDC for a few years now, but still use calf body as the overwing. I've found with a purely CDC wing, the profile and shadow it casts on the water isn't right and they aren't taken as regularly. Oh well ... it looked nice in the vise anyway. I'll tie up a few as you suggest and add them to my flybox. Thanks for the input, Larry. Chuck Vance |
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Willi wrote in message ...
Personally I tie most of my downwing flies with Elk but calf tail has different properties and I think it is better as a damp/wet fly. There was a local guy that got a reputation, years ago, for impressive catches he made on Rio Grande Kings ( a calf tail trude similar to the Pass Lake). The rumor was that he fished them damp and with action. IIRC, the Trude was originally tied as a wet fly. CDC is very appealing to fish. I use it as an under wing on some patterns but I've never used it by itself in a down wing pattern. (I do however like CDC comparadun style flies especially for the small insects). OK, so now I've had two folks suggest using it as an underwing. I'll tie up a few that way to take with me, thanks. As for CDC comparaduns -- I tied up a few of those for the small Western green drakes that I hope to get to test while I'm in Canada. I also incorporated CDC into some Quigley-style cripples; some I did CDC & Elk style, and in some others I substituted CDC for the forward wing. I think that most people who have been tying for some time usually make changes to traditional flies for a variety of reasons. There are few standard patterns I tie as "specified." Some changes are improvements and some aren't. Experimenting with patterns is what tying is about, IMO, and there is nothing more legitimate than trying out a sub. But for patterns that have been around a long time and are still effective, it's likely that the originator found some combinations that were appealing to fish. Yeah, I'm sure that any "improvements" I might come up with have been tried (and likely discarded) before. It's just that when you have only a couple of trips per year to go after trout that don't dine exclusively on cheese and corn, you have to try to work these things out at the vise before you go. While I have a fair knowledge of fishing for bass, I'm still a rank newbie (emphasis on rank) when it comes to trout. That's why I was curious if what looked good at the vise in this case had some other qualities when actually fished. I've already tied up all the standards that I've seen suggested for that area/time of year, so I guess I'm just looking for a couple of flies that might give me an extra edge. Chuck Vance (isn't everyone?) |
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"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in news:cbr8so$en9$1
@hudsucker.umdac.umu.se: I was interested in trying this myself but I worry a bit about boiling the feet seems more like soup making than dyeing. Mmmm ... you could be right ...it could get messy. The heat causes other (rabbit/deer) skin to "shrink" if you don't peg it out somehow. A temperate to cold dye would be better. Steve |
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