Squealing Shimano Sedona 2500FB

One of my spinning reels seems to squeal but I can't reproduce it at home.
It doesn't do it with the spool off or on at home. It only seems to act up
when reeling in with any weight on the light. I had this before and oiled
it and it seemed to correct it..for a short while. I'm assuming since this
started again so quickly(within 3-months) that it may need more than just
oil.

Before I send it back - any advice?

Christopher

One of my spinning reels seems to squeal but I can't reproduce it at home.
It doesn't do it with the spool off or on at home. It only seems to act up
when reeling in with any weight on the light. I had this before and oiled
it and it seemed to correct it..for a short while. I'm assuming since this
started again so quickly(within 3-months) that it may need more than just
oil.

Before I send it back - any advice?

Christopher


Chris:
Are you sure it's not the roller bearing on the bail that is squealing? Just
about every single one of my Team Daiwa spinning reels squealed right out of
the box. My solution has always been the following, even with a brand new reel
that has never seen line or water:

1. Disassemble the bail roller assembly.

2. Soak the bearing in lighter fluid until it feels completely flushed and
rotates freely Let it dry completely.

3. Soak the bearing in a light oil.

4. Reassemble and enjoy.

Now I know there are going to be those who don't agree with soaking the bearing
in oil, but it's a low speed bearing and if you can't actually remove the
shields and put some light grease in it to keep it quiet and lubricated, then
this is the next best thing. Only do this if you are concerned about noise.
Otherwise, a single drop of oil is sufficient if you just want to make sure
it's lubricated. Just do it more often.

I hope that helps. Like I said, I've had this problem with many TDs in the
past, but I have no experience with Shimano.
-Jim Jr.
www.teamhornerfishing.com

I don't think the Sedona's have a bearing in the line roller,they use a
bushing.I use Fireline on my Sedona's so I don't think the line roller
moves.. Mine have made the same noise since day one, not a bad reel for
about 40 bucks, I just live with the noise..If you solve the problem let
me know...

Never grease a small reels ball bearings, oil only. Grease can harden with
age and it can hold dirt, mud and sand to destroy the bearing surfaces. You
can use a silicone based grease to pack the anti-reverse roller bearing in a
reel.



"Jim Jr." wrote in message
...
One of my spinning reels seems to squeal but I can't reproduce it at
home.
It doesn't do it with the spool off or on at home. It only seems to act
up
when reeling in with any weight on the light. I had this before and oiled
it and it seemed to correct it..for a short while. I'm assuming since
this
started again so quickly(within 3-months) that it may need more than just
oil.

Before I send it back - any advice?

Christopher


Chris:
Are you sure it's not the roller bearing on the bail that is squealing?
Just
about every single one of my Team Daiwa spinning reels squealed right out
of
the box. My solution has always been the following, even with a brand new
reel
that has never seen line or water:

1. Disassemble the bail roller assembly.

2. Soak the bearing in lighter fluid until it feels completely flushed and
rotates freely Let it dry completely.

3. Soak the bearing in a light oil.

4. Reassemble and enjoy.

Now I know there are going to be those who don't agree with soaking the
bearing
in oil, but it's a low speed bearing and if you can't actually remove the
shields and put some light grease in it to keep it quiet and lubricated,
then
this is the next best thing. Only do this if you are concerned about
noise.
Otherwise, a single drop of oil is sufficient if you just want to make
sure
it's lubricated. Just do it more often.

I hope that helps. Like I said, I've had this problem with many TDs in the
past, but I have no experience with Shimano.
-Jim Jr.
www.teamhornerfishing.com

I don't think the Sedona's have a bearing in the line roller,they use a
bushing.I use Fireline on my Sedona's so I don't think the line roller
moves.. Mine have made the same noise since day one, not a bad reel for
about 40 bucks, I just live with the noise..If you solve the problem let
me know...

Chris:

He's right, Shimano does not use a bearing in the bail roller. They do use a
bushing....had I checked the schamtic on Shimano's website for the Sedona I
could have saved everyone the time of reading that post.

If that bushing assembly is indeed the source of the squeal, you can try
applying a quality light grease on the bushing and that should take care of any
squeal. Try a grease with Dupont's Krytox as an ingredient and it will provide
you with a long duration of squeal free operation as it is impervious to water
and won't just wash away from moisture coming from your line or otherwise. Ship
Store, http://www.shipstore.com, carries MaryKate Ship Shape Reel Lubricant
that does contain Krytox. I've used it for several years and have only good
things to say about it.
-Jim Jr.
www.teamhornerfishing.com

Never grease a small reels ball bearings, oil only. Grease can harden with
age and it can hold dirt, mud and sand to destroy the bearing surfaces. You
can use a silicone based grease to pack the anti-reverse roller bearing in a
reel.

I agree that the above CAN occur when grease is used in any ball bearing when
improperly applied, usually in excess. Improper ball bearing maintainence due
to excessive lubrication, oil or grease, is the cause of most bearing
lubrication/contamination failures. The excess, which is either on the outside
of the shields or inner and outer races will attract dust and dirt which can
migrate inside of the bearing and cause damage. However, damage is less likely
to occur on a quality ball bearing with dual shields or seals.

The majority of reel manufacturers use grease, not oil, in most of their reel
bearings. This is done for several reasons, from noise reduction to corrosion
prevention, but the main reason is that they plan on the average Joe not
maintaining his reels properly. The intention is that that grease will last the
lifetime of the reel. In addition, oil does not always have the ability to have
corrosion inhibitors added, while it is a common practice with grease.

I believe this is a fine notion of lower end reels, but I think the
manufacturers should go with a different approach on their higher end models
and oil the majority of the bearings they install. Most people buying a high
end reel are going to maintain them on a regular basis in which case the reason
behind using grease over oil is a mute point.

As far as oiling vs. greasing for reel ball bearings, the general rule or thumb
for any ball bearing is that you use oil in applications that have low torque
or high speed, obviously these are relative terms. The only bearings on a reel
that you NEED to oil, and this is solely for the purpose of improving casting
performance, are the spool bearings of a casting reel. These are truely the
only 'high speed' bearings in any reel, regardless of retrieve ratio.

The thing you want to avoid all together, and many of us are guilty of this
including me, is simply adding oil to a bearing without completely flushing the
bearing with cleaner first. This is assuming that you haven't already cleaned
the bearing, installed your choice of lubricants, and are now just adding a
little lubricant as routine upkeep in between major maintainence. Because most
reel bearings come with grease installed, you want to completely clean that
grease, or oil for that matter, out before you apply any additional lubricant.
Not all greases and oils are compatable with each other. Oils can react with
other oils just as vinegar and water react to each other. However, this is more
common with the interaction of oil and grease. Grease, in most cases, is simply
an oil and base agent used to thicken the lubricant. Any foreign lubricant
could cause the oil and base of a grease to seperate, harden, or thicken. The
results are unpredictable. Adding oil to a bearing that already contains
another lubricant will not always help lubrication, in most cases, it will
eventually cause problems, but your results may vary.
-Jim Jr.
www.teamhornerfishing.com

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"Christopher P. Cericola" wrote in message
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One of my spinning reels seems to squeal but I can't reproduce it at home.
It doesn't do it with the spool off or on at home. It only seems to act
up
when reeling in with any weight on the light. I had this before and oiled
it and it seemed to correct it..for a short while. I'm assuming since
this
started again so quickly(within 3-months) that it may need more than just
oil.

Before I send it back - any advice?

Christopher

The first thing I always do with a new reel is tear it apart. Soak all the
bearings in acetone. I use a small stick with a pointed end to place the
bearing on and spin it - soak it more - repeat until I know it is clean. I
then soak them in a lubricant that forms a micro bond with the metal. I take
them out of the oil after 10 min. and let them drain an a paper towel.

Reassemble the reel and I am good to go for three months. I use Stradics and
Ambasadeurs. I have tried the others but my money is in reliability. Light
lubrication whether it be oil on bearings or grease on the gears is the key.
You are right about overlubing/greasing any reel, just plain bad.

A whole drop of oil an a bearing is too much. Half a drop is all you need. I
use a toothpick to lube the gears, all you need is a thin coat, wipe all
excess off before reassembling. If it has teeth grease it, if not use oil.


"Jim Jr." wrote in message
...
Never grease a small reels ball bearings, oil only. Grease can harden
with
age and it can hold dirt, mud and sand to destroy the bearing surfaces.
You
can use a silicone based grease to pack the anti-reverse roller bearing in
a
reel.

I agree that the above CAN occur when grease is used in any ball bearing
when
improperly applied, usually in excess. Improper ball bearing maintainence
due
to excessive lubrication, oil or grease, is the cause of most bearing
lubrication/contamination failures. The excess, which is either on the
outside
of the shields or inner and outer races will attract dust and dirt which
can
migrate inside of the bearing and cause damage. However, damage is less
likely
to occur on a quality ball bearing with dual shields or seals.

The majority of reel manufacturers use grease, not oil, in most of their
reel
bearings. This is done for several reasons, from noise reduction to
corrosion
prevention, but the main reason is that they plan on the average Joe not
maintaining his reels properly. The intention is that that grease will
last the
lifetime of the reel. In addition, oil does not always have the ability to
have
corrosion inhibitors added, while it is a common practice with grease.

I believe this is a fine notion of lower end reels, but I think the
manufacturers should go with a different approach on their higher end
models
and oil the majority of the bearings they install. Most people buying a
high
end reel are going to maintain them on a regular basis in which case the
reason
behind using grease over oil is a mute point.

As far as oiling vs. greasing for reel ball bearings, the general rule or
thumb
for any ball bearing is that you use oil in applications that have low
torque
or high speed, obviously these are relative terms. The only bearings on a
reel
that you NEED to oil, and this is solely for the purpose of improving
casting
performance, are the spool bearings of a casting reel. These are truely
the
only 'high speed' bearings in any reel, regardless of retrieve ratio.

The thing you want to avoid all together, and many of us are guilty of
this
including me, is simply adding oil to a bearing without completely
flushing the
bearing with cleaner first. This is assuming that you haven't already
cleaned
the bearing, installed your choice of lubricants, and are now just adding
a
little lubricant as routine upkeep in between major maintainence. Because
most
reel bearings come with grease installed, you want to completely clean
that
grease, or oil for that matter, out before you apply any additional
lubricant.
Not all greases and oils are compatable with each other. Oils can react
with
other oils just as vinegar and water react to each other. However, this is
more
common with the interaction of oil and grease. Grease, in most cases, is
simply
an oil and base agent used to thicken the lubricant. Any foreign lubricant
could cause the oil and base of a grease to seperate, harden, or thicken.
The
results are unpredictable. Adding oil to a bearing that already contains
another lubricant will not always help lubrication, in most cases, it will
eventually cause problems, but your results may vary.
-Jim Jr.
www.teamhornerfishing.com

The first thing I always do with a new reel is tear it apart. Soak all the
bearings in acetone. I use a small stick with a pointed end to place the
bearing on and spin it - soak it more - repeat until I know it is clean. I
then soak them in a lubricant that forms a micro bond with the metal. I take
them out of the oil after 10 min. and let them drain an a paper towel.

Reassemble the reel and I am good to go for three months. I use Stradics and
Ambasadeurs. I have tried the others but my money is in reliability. Light
lubrication whether it be oil on bearings or grease on the gears is the key.
You are right about overlubing/greasing any reel, just plain bad.

A whole drop of oil an a bearing is too much. Half a drop is all you need. I
use a toothpick to lube the gears, all you need is a thin coat, wipe all
excess off before reassembling. If it has teeth grease it, if not use oil.


It's refreshing to hear someone else take the maintainence of their reels to
this level. It guarantees one thing from your investment....smooth operation
for the lifetime of the reel, which is also greatly extended by the measures
that you take.


-Jim Jr.
www.teamhornerfishing.com