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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...otes110504.DTL
A much needed pep talk well and rightly said. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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![]() "Tim J." wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...otes110504.DTL A much needed pep talk well and rightly said. Not so fast, you stinkin' liberal. ;-) Once again the point is being missed (not that it's a bad thing). Read this quote from the author: "And besides, most hardcore Republicans would, of course, love it if you'd leave the country, and take your gul-dang gay-lovin' tofu-eatin' tree-huggin' pierced-labia values with you. They would love it, furthermore, if the libs in the morally shredded red states would split for the coastal cities and the major metropolises of America, all those godless heathen places where the neighbors won't yank the Kerry/Edwards sign outta your front lawn and chase you down and beat you with it and call it patriotism. Remember: bullies never deserve to own the playground." In another example of misguided and framed condescending tone, the far left again "endears" itself to people with whom it must conduct discourse if the Democrats ever hope to acheive victory. This kind of venom-spewing article is why moderate Republicans and independent voters have been driven away from the Democratic Party in droves. Someone in the party had better decide how to gain the respect and attention of the voters who swayed the election, and it ain't by calling them a bunch of dimwitted morons. Articles like the one you reference are "preaching to the choir" when addressing far-left liberals, and irritating the hell out of everyone else. Believe what you will, but if the next Democratic nominee for POTUS sports a never-before-worn Red Sox cap claiming a fake care whether they ever win or lose another game, spouts in a proper-Bostonian counterfeit hick accent "Can I get me a huntin' license here?", and then has an assistant carry his bird from the hunt because "he's tired", he or she won't get elected either. This kind of ruse isn't fooling anyone, especially the "dumb and illiterate" voters of the South and Midwest. Keep it up. ![]() All very interesting, but none of it has anything to do with the recent ascendancy of the Republican party. The current lopsided predominance of one party over the other is a result of one of them relearning one of the oldest of political lessons; in a highly segmented society power rests with those who do the best job delivering a genuine appeal to traditional values......fear, greed, and hate. Wolfgang |
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Larry L wrote:
Wolfgang wrote The current lopsided predominance of one party over the other is a result of one of them relearning one of the oldest of political lessons; in a highly segmented society power rests with those who do the best job delivering a genuine appeal to traditional values......fear, greed, and hate. .... very true Many would agree. ;-) -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: All very interesting, but none of it has anything to do with the recent ascendancy of the Republican party. I disagree, but what's new. The current lopsided predominance of one party over the other is a result of one of them relearning one of the oldest of political lessons; in a highly segmented society power rests with those who do the best job delivering a genuine appeal to traditional values......fear, greed, and hate. *Both* major parties delivered that message, so you're going to have to do better than that. I DID do better than that. I said, "...power rests with *those who do the best job* of delivering a genuine appeal to traditional values..." Besides, I really don't think it has as much to do with the message (weak on both sides, IMHO) as the messenger. Again, what I said. Voters related better to Bush than Kerry. One of the best at relating to the people during a campaign was Bill Clinton. He was able to say "I feel your pain" and have voters believe him and, by association, his message. Yup. Yes, I guess you *did* say all that, didn't you? Whaddaya expect from some dumb, ignorant hick who was born in Ohio? -- TL, Tim (I gotta get me some reading lessons) ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote: snip Read this quote from the author: ... Actually I prefer this one: "You cannot leave. You cannot drop the armor now. Why? Because you are needed, more than ever. You are mandatory to keep the energy flowing, the karmic vibrator buzzing, to keep the progressive and lucid half of the nation breathing and healthy and awake and ever reaching out to the half that's wallowing in fear and violence and homophobia and sexual dread, hoping to find harmony instead of cacophony, common ground instead of civil war, some sort of a shared love of a country so messy and internationally disrespected and openly confused its own president can't even speak the language." Yeah, that one addresses my point just as well. Thanks. And I really *do* appreciate you reaching out to me to help me find some common ground. ;-) -- Your wallowing ****wit pal, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Actually I prefer this one: "You cannot leave. You cannot drop the armor now. Why? Because you are needed, more than ever. You are mandatory to keep the energy flowing, the karmic vibrator buzzing, to keep the progressive and lucid half of the nation breathing and healthy and awake and ever reaching out to the half that's wallowing in fear and violence and homophobia and sexual dread, hoping to find harmony instead of cacophony, common ground instead of civil war, some sort of a shared love of a country so messy and internationally disrespected and openly confused its own president can't even speak the language." Yeah, that one addresses my point just as well. Thanks. And I really *do* appreciate you reaching out to me to help me find some common ground. ;-) Not my job, Timmmaaaaay. That's what politicians do, and if you haven't noticed by now, I'd make a LOUSY politician. ;-) My job right now is to be bitter and depressed and ****ed off that I live in a country that's so bloody ****ing stupid as to elect the Yellow Rogue of Texas as its president. Well that and get my **** packed for a truly horrible trip to Alabama and the subsequent mental health detour to do some fishing in the Old North State. Yeah, good luck with the stuff in AL - I hope all goes as well as can be expected for you. I'd like to join you in TONS, but *that's* not going to happen. By the time Penns rolls around, I'm going to be in serious need of a mental health detour myself. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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All very interesting, but none of it has anything to do with the
recent ascendancy of the Republican party. The current lopsided predominance of one party over the other is a result of one of them relearning one of the oldest of political lessons; in a highly segmented society power rests with those who do the best job delivering a genuine appeal to traditional values......fear, greed, and hate. Actually, the core is "lack of change." "I want a world like my grandparents had, with their value system (none of this gay marriage thing), where everyone went to church on Sunday and America could stand alone against the world." As you stated, much of that "core value system" was a result of fear engendered by the world political situation (Russia, China, Germany) or the church (Hell). We've now got terrorists and Hell is making a big comeback. Put a politician in that plays on those fears and promises to get us back on the God fearing track and he'll get elected. Done and doner. -- Frank Reid Reverse Email to reply |
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![]() "Tim J." wrote Yeah, that one addresses my point just as well. Thanks. And I really *do* appreciate you reaching out to me to help me find some common ground. ;-) -- Your wallowing ****wit pal, Tim ------------------------ My response to the editorial was instant " damn, we don't need this guy on OUR side" ... if I saw the "left" and "liberals" as being like him, I might even sink to voting for Bush ... slinging hate filled vulgarity is NOT what I stand for ( this was especially endearing " You become a bit more wary and alert and you stock up on the superlative porn ...."). "Left wing" hate is no better than chanting "kill a liberal for Christ" I'm not sure how, or, if, it pertains but here is something I wrote a couple years ago ..... and I think it applies to BOTH sides now that the battle lines are more obvious, the civil war more likely, .... but still more to the right than the left .... .................................................. ............................. .................................................. ............................. To me, the most frightening thing about the increasing number of people on the 'far right' is how many of them are so hate filled. Indeed the move to the right is largely being fueled by the cheap fix of hate ... something with far too much destructive history to ignore. Giving "permission to hate" is probably the easiest way to manipulate the masses, it's worked over and over throughout history. I'm sad to say that this country is showing clear signs of a decade of having "spokesmen" from the Right give permission to hate. First to hate, but never really define, "liberals." Then, oh so conveniently, to call most anything you don't like, "liberal," and thus make it hated. I honestly believe that anger and hate are addictive. This is partly because they provide the "cheapest fix" for those needing a "self esteem" boost. A second reason is that the strong emotion involved "spices" lives that are otherwise too bland to tolerate.... feeling bad being "better" than not feeling, at all. Both are far less costly ... in terms of current real effort required, than alternate ways to achieve the desired "quick fix." ...but, of course, very expensive over a lifetime, like all addictions. Through hatred one can always see oneself as "better than" others without the tedious work involved in actually doing anything to prove that superiority. It is so tempting and easy to fall into this trap, that it is one of the classic ways to manipulate populations. Give people a group or person to hate and they will follow where otherwise they would never go .... it has worked for "leaders" throughout history, and continues to work today. Bin Laden "allows and encourages" hate of the West and suddenly, some of the poorest people on earth, living in wretched conditions, feel "better than," some of the richest ... and are willing to die ... to maintain that feeling . It's a working strategy, on the other side too. An enemy to hate has certainly vastly increased the "popularity" and political strength of people in the U.S. ...people that have actually done nothing to justify it. Indeed, the Rush to the Right we're seen in this country the last decade has largely been fueled by the power of hate .. unintentionally at first ( Rush, himself, has nothing but hate .... i.e. lowering others ... without it he'd still be a poor, lonely, misfit ) .... then when it was seen how big a following it was getting, intentionally within the "right' People, leaders of not, often don't want to give up the "advantages" they find in hating.....they become addicted to it. In the case of leaders they even look for new enemies to give you permission to hate ... to manipulate you Here are two quick real stories from my life. I believe they illustrate the dynamic I'm trying to discuss ...blind hate making people "feel better about themselves" at no real cost ( except the obvious spiritual ones ) first, about 1952 Walking with my grandmother down the street in a rural Va town, where she worked as a maid, and was a poor white. A very well dressed, clearly very successful, black woman approached from the other direction, and my grandmother said to granddad, "Look at that ******, walking down the street, like she was as good as us." I was about 6 and thank God I saw that for what it is, ......you can always feel good about yourself, without ANY actual achievement or contribution, IF you allow yourself to hate .... here was a poor white, whose only way to find "self respect" was to lower others ... it's a common theme amongst humans second story about 1998 or 9 A young man was working as apprentice to me, and simply lacked the needed emotional and mental tools to succeed in my business .... he was having a rough time. I was having to repeatedly point out his errors. One morning I finally suggested that he might be happier trying a different field. I'm sure his self esteem was suffering, he looked very 'down.' We took separate cars to a new location, and he listened to his "conservative talk radio" on the drive. We we arrived he got out of the car, absolutely brimming with smile. He said, in all seriousness, " I may not be worth **** at this, but, at least I'm not a ****ing liberal." He strutted around like a Banty rooster, having found a cheap way to be "better than" so many people. Rush had told him it was OK to hate "liberals," and it made him feel so good he glowed. |
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