half spent ...spinners

for many years I've found "half spent" ties fish better in a heavy spinner
fall than the traditional "both wings down" style

But,

I've never come up with an easy way to tie them ... I have tied a traditonal
pattern with organza or whatever wings then tried to fight one of the wings
into an upright position ... not easy, especially in Trico sizes.

But I bet someone out there has a great way to tie "one wing up, one spent"
patterns and will soon share it with all of us G

thanks in advance ... as I continue to tie for the expected summer hatches

for many years I've found "half spent" ties fish better in a heavy spinner
fall than the traditional "both wings down" style

But,

I've never come up with an easy way to tie them ... I have tied a
traditonal pattern with organza or whatever wings then tried to fight one
of the wings into an upright position ... not easy, especially in Trico
sizes.

But I bet someone out there has a great way to tie "one wing up, one
spent" patterns and will soon share it with all of us G

thanks in advance ... as I continue to tie for the expected summer hatches

I've been experimenting with this this week. One thing that may work that
I'm trying, is take a rectangle of organza. Burn one end in a wing burner,
tie in the organza as normal (lay it across the thorax and tie in using a
figure 8). Pull the burnt wing part up as if you were going to tie it as a
post for a parachute. As a matter of fact, if you want to, tie in a
parachute hackle to give you more legs on the water and better flotation.
Leave the other "unburnt" wing down. Pull out the cross threads on the
unburnt wing (they'll come out in casting anyway). You should have a good
imitation of a one wing up spinner.

--
Frank Reid
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Larry L wrote:
But I bet someone out there has a great way to tie "one wing up, one
spent" patterns and will soon share it with all of us G

To get the effect you're looking for, just rotate the hook 45 degrees
(assuming you have a rotary vise) and simply tie the wing (material of your
choice) upright and divided. They will sit on the water with one wing in
the film, and one up. Frank's suggestion to wrap a parachute hackle on the
'up' wing sounds like a good idea which I will have to try.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

"Frank Reid" wrote

I'm trying, is take a rectangle of organza. Burn one end in a wing
burner,


I've used organza for spinner wings for years .... indeed it's one example
of an item that I "made up" independent from and before I heard of others
using it ... I first used it for Tricos on Silver Creek when the only other
wing material I'd ever seen was polypro or hen hackle, .... worked really
really really great for several years until others started using it or
similar sparkly stuff ..... now those fish have become tough, again G


But, since I saw a piece of the stuff and bought it to try on my own I
decided how to use it that way, too. And I've always separated the
individual strands from the cloth BEFORE tying in for spinner wings ... it
never occurred to me to tie in the cloth and let the pieces fly where they
will g ala, Frank Reid Separating the strands is a pain, I can hardly
wait to try your approach

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Larry L wrote:
But I bet someone out there has a great way to tie "one wing up, one
spent" patterns and will soon share it with all of us G

To get the effect you're looking for, just rotate the hook 45 degrees
(assuming you have a rotary vise) and simply tie the wing (material of
your
choice) upright and divided. They will sit on the water with one wing in
the film, and one up. Frank's suggestion to wrap a parachute hackle on
the
'up' wing sounds like a good idea which I will have to try.

The key with that is to use the wing burner. I've found that if you don't
stabilize the edges, the cross threads (warp or weft, one of the two) come
out and the wing fibers flop over.

--
Frank Reid
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"Stan Gula" wrote

(assuming you have a rotary vise)

Nope ... got a probably 20 year old Regal

How's the health doing, Stan?, and you too Big Dale, if yer out there?
Hope you guys are mending well ... my own repairs are going along fairly
well ... can't complain too much, anyway

Larry L wrote:
"Stan Gula" wrote

(assuming you have a rotary vise)

Nope ... got a probably 20 year old Regal

Put a book under the back of the stand? And then you'll say you have the
clamp model, so, put several books under the far side table legsg. What
do you do when the fish only want a fly with the left wing uprightg.

How's the health doing, Stan?

I feel pretty good. Went canoe fishing last week and was able to carry my
canoe without problems. I see the cardiologist next week and then I'll
find out how healthy I *really* am crossing my fingers.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

Stan Gula wrote:
Larry L wrote:
"Stan Gula" wrote

(assuming you have a rotary vise)

Nope ... got a probably 20 year old Regal

Put a book under the back of the stand? And then you'll say you have
the clamp model, so, put several books under the far side table
legsg. What do you do when the fish only want a fly with the left
wing uprightg.

How's the health doing, Stan?

I feel pretty good. Went canoe fishing last week and was able to
carry my canoe without problems. I see the cardiologist next week
and then I'll find out how healthy I *really* am crossing my
fingers.

Pottapaug should be ready for us by then, and I'm ready for a getaway
day.
--
TL,
Tim
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