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Old June 6th, 2005, 04:50 PM
alwaysfishking
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Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place
so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad.

I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge
explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had
the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off.

I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect
with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I
just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at
least that's what I want to believe






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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:01 PM
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place
so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad.

I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge
explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had
the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off.

I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect
with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I
just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at
least that's what I want to believe






Actually Randy, I believe Braid would have made a huge difference. With
zero stretch you would have made the connection. Also a longer rod
would have helped. Maybe you were already using a 7'+ rod. But with
long casts and loooonnnnnggg hooksets Braids really shine.

Of course that has been my experience. The stretch of mono with the
long distances usually puts you at a disadvantage.

Chris
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Old June 6th, 2005, 06:06 PM
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the
place so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad.

I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A
huge explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The
fish had the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off.

I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't
connect with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or
should I just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a
difference, or at least that's what I want to believe






Actually Randy, I believe Braid would have made a huge difference. With
zero stretch you would have made the connection. Also a longer rod would
have helped. Maybe you were already using a 7'+ rod. But with long casts
and loooonnnnnggg hooksets Braids really shine.

Of course that has been my experience. The stretch of mono with the long
distances usually puts you at a disadvantage.

Chris



I agree. I have fished 10lb mono for topwater for a long time. This last
weekend I fished braid for the first time in a tournament. I nailed three
out of three topwater hits on braid. I used a 7' medium action rod to do
it. (Actually a Lamiglass 3 power) I was using 30lb Stren Super Briad
which is approximately the same size as 8lb mono. It worked well. The one
thing I did was to back my drag way... way... way... off. The biggest I
caught topwatering was about 14" I also used the same rig for crank baits a
little later in the day and had very good luck with hooking and landing
fish.

Still for most people for most applications I'ld probably stay with mono for
topwater. I went to braid because so often I am throwing to or into pockets
in weedlines with my topwaters. I still land more fish with mono I think,
but I hook more with braid. I also don't have to run my boat over an area I
planned to fish to retrieve my baits nearly as often.

The other thing to remember is that frogs are notorious for missed strikes.
I have never fished a Zoom horny toad, but I have fished other frogs. I
quit fishing them because I missed close to 75% of my strikes. A local pro
guide and good friend Dave Willhide told me that if you hook more than 50%
of frog strikes you are pretty darned good.


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Old June 6th, 2005, 10:00 PM
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message Actually Randy, I believe Braid would
have made a huge difference.


Chris,

I almost exclusively fish braid, the exceptions are wacky rig's and
topwater poppers/spooks etc. The reason being is that with the braid on a
topwater hook set I have pulled the lure free too many times, with mono
almost never. Little stretch is a good thing. The braid is great for slow
fishing jigs and worms when the bite is subtle

The only reason I used the mono was because it already had a hook on I
could use and was too lazy to re-tie on the braid, but I cast way too far
7ft med heavy rod so that wasn't a problem.

You always remember the big fish you lose,,,,at least I do


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Old June 6th, 2005, 10:17 PM
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alwaysfishking wrote:
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message Actually Randy, I believe Braid would
have made a huge difference.


Chris,

I almost exclusively fish braid, the exceptions are wacky rig's and
topwater poppers/spooks etc. The reason being is that with the braid on a
topwater hook set I have pulled the lure free too many times, with mono
almost never. Little stretch is a good thing. The braid is great for slow
fishing jigs and worms when the bite is subtle

The only reason I used the mono was because it already had a hook on I
could use and was too lazy to re-tie on the braid, but I cast way too far
7ft med heavy rod so that wasn't a problem.

You always remember the big fish you lose,,,,at least I do


Yeah, I agree 100% (about losing big fish). I have guess I have
reserved myself that i am going to lose fish in slop. It is going to
happen no matter what I throw. I figure Braid gets me a solid hookset,
it cuts through the weeds, and moves the fish quickly. Combine that
with a longer rod that gives you leverage I believe you increase your
odds. I have actually lost less fish since going to strictly a braid
for a slop presentation than I did when I used 17lb XT a few years ago.

Now, if I am throwing a Pop-r I use either fluoro or mono combined with
a very soft rods, and triple grip hooks (nickel plated).

For a spook, I use a heavier/stiffer rod and mono, but heavy 17lb xt.
I have a specific rod for each type of topwater I throw. The soft
action rod is one I use for Pop-R's, Tiny Torpedos, or jerkbaits like
#9, #11, & #13 Rapalas.

I have a MH rod I use for Zara Spooks only, and I have a Heavy Rod I use
for Frogs or any slop type topwater.

That is what has worked for me. Here on the lakes I fish they are very
fertile and very shallow (my home water anyway). So I am fishing very
thick cover for about 4 months out of the year.

Oh well, I am learning still, and I am sure there are more sure fire
techniques. If I am really motivated I will go through and pitch a
plastic worm with about a 3/4 ounce sinker into irregularities in the
pad fields. That takes forever, but can produce some big fish!.

Oh well, that is off the subject, but good luck!

chris
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Old June 6th, 2005, 11:53 PM
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Braid would not have made a difference, or at
least that's what I want to believe


Believe what you want, but a not-stretch superline, whether braided or
fused, would have made all the difference in the world.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 12:10 AM
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Randy, as odd as it may seem reconsider your choice of rods.Stop and
consider trying a rod with a bit more flex with the super lines . Especially
when doing any long distance casting.

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"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message Actually Randy, I believe Braid would
have made a huge difference.


Chris,

I almost exclusively fish braid, the exceptions are wacky rig's and
topwater poppers/spooks etc. The reason being is that with the braid on a
topwater hook set I have pulled the lure free too many times, with mono
almost never. Little stretch is a good thing. The braid is great for slow
fishing jigs and worms when the bite is subtle

The only reason I used the mono was because it already had a hook on I
could use and was too lazy to re-tie on the braid, but I cast way too far
7ft med heavy rod so that wasn't a problem.

You always remember the big fish you lose,,,,at least I do



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Old June 7th, 2005, 01:06 AM
alwaysfishking
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I was second guessing the braid thing after the posts. I always fish the
horney toads on braid


I just hated thinking it was my lack of re-tying a hook that cost me a fish,
better for fun than a tourney i guess


"RichZ" wrote in message
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Braid would not have made a difference, or at
least that's what I want to believe


Believe what you want, but a not-stretch superline, whether braided or
fused, would have made all the difference in the world.



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Old June 7th, 2005, 02:19 AM
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"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now" wrote in message
Randy,
What size hook were you using???



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Old June 7th, 2005, 02:21 AM
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:50:51 -0400, "alwaysfishking"
sent into the ether:


Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place
so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad.

I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge
explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had
the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off.

I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect
with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I
just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at
least that's what I want to believe


Randy,
What size hook were you using???
I have had some hookup problems with 2/0 Gammie EWG's. Larger appear
to work better on HT's.

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