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![]() Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad. I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off. I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at least that's what I want to believe -- A&A National Fishing Team |
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad. I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off. I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at least that's what I want to believe Actually Randy, I believe Braid would have made a huge difference. With zero stretch you would have made the connection. Also a longer rod would have helped. Maybe you were already using a 7'+ rod. But with long casts and loooonnnnnggg hooksets Braids really shine. Of course that has been my experience. The stretch of mono with the long distances usually puts you at a disadvantage. Chris |
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. . alwaysfishking wrote: Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad. I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off. I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at least that's what I want to believe Actually Randy, I believe Braid would have made a huge difference. With zero stretch you would have made the connection. Also a longer rod would have helped. Maybe you were already using a 7'+ rod. But with long casts and loooonnnnnggg hooksets Braids really shine. Of course that has been my experience. The stretch of mono with the long distances usually puts you at a disadvantage. Chris I agree. I have fished 10lb mono for topwater for a long time. This last weekend I fished braid for the first time in a tournament. I nailed three out of three topwater hits on braid. I used a 7' medium action rod to do it. (Actually a Lamiglass 3 power) I was using 30lb Stren Super Briad which is approximately the same size as 8lb mono. It worked well. The one thing I did was to back my drag way... way... way... off. The biggest I caught topwatering was about 14" I also used the same rig for crank baits a little later in the day and had very good luck with hooking and landing fish. Still for most people for most applications I'ld probably stay with mono for topwater. I went to braid because so often I am throwing to or into pockets in weedlines with my topwaters. I still land more fish with mono I think, but I hook more with braid. I also don't have to run my boat over an area I planned to fish to retrieve my baits nearly as often. The other thing to remember is that frogs are notorious for missed strikes. I have never fished a Zoom horny toad, but I have fished other frogs. I quit fishing them because I missed close to 75% of my strikes. A local pro guide and good friend Dave Willhide told me that if you hook more than 50% of frog strikes you are pretty darned good. -- Bob La Londe http://www.YumaBassMan.com |
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message Actually Randy, I believe Braid would
have made a huge difference. Chris, I almost exclusively fish braid, the exceptions are wacky rig's and topwater poppers/spooks etc. The reason being is that with the braid on a topwater hook set I have pulled the lure free too many times, with mono almost never. Little stretch is a good thing. The braid is great for slow fishing jigs and worms when the bite is subtle The only reason I used the mono was because it already had a hook on I could use and was too lazy to re-tie on the braid, but I cast way too far 7ft med heavy rod so that wasn't a problem. You always remember the big fish you lose,,,,at least I do |
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alwaysfishking wrote:
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message Actually Randy, I believe Braid would have made a huge difference. Chris, I almost exclusively fish braid, the exceptions are wacky rig's and topwater poppers/spooks etc. The reason being is that with the braid on a topwater hook set I have pulled the lure free too many times, with mono almost never. Little stretch is a good thing. The braid is great for slow fishing jigs and worms when the bite is subtle The only reason I used the mono was because it already had a hook on I could use and was too lazy to re-tie on the braid, but I cast way too far 7ft med heavy rod so that wasn't a problem. You always remember the big fish you lose,,,,at least I do Yeah, I agree 100% (about losing big fish). I have guess I have reserved myself that i am going to lose fish in slop. It is going to happen no matter what I throw. I figure Braid gets me a solid hookset, it cuts through the weeds, and moves the fish quickly. Combine that with a longer rod that gives you leverage I believe you increase your odds. I have actually lost less fish since going to strictly a braid for a slop presentation than I did when I used 17lb XT a few years ago. Now, if I am throwing a Pop-r I use either fluoro or mono combined with a very soft rods, and triple grip hooks (nickel plated). For a spook, I use a heavier/stiffer rod and mono, but heavy 17lb xt. I have a specific rod for each type of topwater I throw. The soft action rod is one I use for Pop-R's, Tiny Torpedos, or jerkbaits like #9, #11, & #13 Rapalas. I have a MH rod I use for Zara Spooks only, and I have a Heavy Rod I use for Frogs or any slop type topwater. That is what has worked for me. Here on the lakes I fish they are very fertile and very shallow (my home water anyway). So I am fishing very thick cover for about 4 months out of the year. Oh well, I am learning still, and I am sure there are more sure fire techniques. If I am really motivated I will go through and pitch a plastic worm with about a 3/4 ounce sinker into irregularities in the pad fields. That takes forever, but can produce some big fish!. Oh well, that is off the subject, but good luck! chris |
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alwaysfishking wrote:
Braid would not have made a difference, or at least that's what I want to believe Believe what you want, but a not-stretch superline, whether braided or fused, would have made all the difference in the world. |
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Randy, as odd as it may seem reconsider your choice of rods.Stop and
consider trying a rod with a bit more flex with the super lines . Especially when doing any long distance casting. -- David Norton "alwaysfishking" wrote in message ... "Chris Rennert" wrote in message Actually Randy, I believe Braid would have made a huge difference. Chris, I almost exclusively fish braid, the exceptions are wacky rig's and topwater poppers/spooks etc. The reason being is that with the braid on a topwater hook set I have pulled the lure free too many times, with mono almost never. Little stretch is a good thing. The braid is great for slow fishing jigs and worms when the bite is subtle The only reason I used the mono was because it already had a hook on I could use and was too lazy to re-tie on the braid, but I cast way too far 7ft med heavy rod so that wasn't a problem. You always remember the big fish you lose,,,,at least I do |
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I was second guessing the braid thing after the posts. I always fish the
horney toads on braid I just hated thinking it was my lack of re-tying a hook that cost me a fish, better for fun than a tourney i guess "RichZ" wrote in message ... alwaysfishking wrote: Braid would not have made a difference, or at least that's what I want to believe Believe what you want, but a not-stretch superline, whether braided or fused, would have made all the difference in the world. |
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"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now" wrote in message
Randy, What size hook were you using??? 5/0 Lunker City Texposer, it was all me I believe, not the equipment |
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:50:51 -0400, "alwaysfishking"
sent into the ether: Was out fishing early this morning. Grass was coming up all over the place so time to fish some topwaters, and what better than a horny toad. I wanted to cover a bunch of water and did so casting the heavy toad. A huge explosion near the pads and a hook set, resulted in no fish. The fish had the frog but it was way out there and the fish came off. I was fishing 8lb mono but again distance was the reason I couldn't connect with this fish. Any advice for hooksets at greater distances, or should I just not be casting as far? Braid would not have made a difference, or at least that's what I want to believe Randy, What size hook were you using??? I have had some hookup problems with 2/0 Gammie EWG's. Larger appear to work better on HT's. Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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