DEET Products Questions

Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Robert11 wrote:
Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently
emits a higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

What's he doing for the rest of the summer fishing season? Does he need
another fishing buddy? ;-)

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he
has been using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over
the years that at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be
avoided.
True ?

What I believe is true (and I also greatly believe someone here will
correct me if I'm wrong) is that the higher concentrations only repel
*longer*, not better. Therefore, the concentration I use depends on how
long I intend to fish. I carry both regular OFF and Deep Woods
Sportsman, not because they're better than any other brand but because
they're carried in most stores.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

I use Ben's 100, which is 99% Deet, and I tend to agree with Tim, in
that the major difference in the concentrations is the length of
protection rather than the amount. That said, however, my experience
with the very low concentrations, (15% and below), is that they are not
very effective.

I have been using the high concentration for many years, and, so far
have no ill effects. ( I consider the greenish glow from my skin to be
a bonus for night fishing g)

Kidding aside, there are shirts and caps available from several
manufacturers that are treated with a long lasting bug repellent, and
there is a spray (Sawyer) available that is used to treat clothes. I
use the spray on my fishing hat and it seems to be effective.

On 4 Jul 2005 07:51:19 -0700, "George Adams"
wrote:

I use Ben's 100, which is 99% Deet, and I tend to agree with Tim, in
that the major difference in the concentrations is the length of
protection rather than the amount. That said, however, my experience
with the very low concentrations, (15% and below), is that they are not
very effective.

I have been using the high concentration for many years, and, so far
have no ill effects. ( I consider the greenish glow from my skin to be
a bonus for night fishing g)

Kidding aside, there are shirts and caps available from several
manufacturers that are treated with a long lasting bug repellent, and
there is a spray (Sawyer) available that is used to treat clothes. I
use the spray on my fishing hat and it seems to be effective.

I'm with you, George. In Labrador the only way to survive is by using
Ben's 100. The Buzz Off clothing products sold by many manufacturers
work well. And, if you spray your clothes with some of the 30% stuff
(including your hat), you should be bug free for awhile.

Forget the bug hats/jackets. While they work in keeping the biting
insects away from your skin, they will coat the screen so thick that
it will be impossible to see through them. Been there. Done that.

Dave

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:34:18 -0400, "Robert11"
wrote:

Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Try the new Picardin based mosquito repellants. I used one for the
first time last night on a mosquito infested river bank, by far the
worst place for skeets I've seen this year. I used Cutter Advanced,
although I'm sure there are others. It seemed to work at least as well
as my Ben's 100 does. It also doesn't dissolve plastic fly lines and
rod finishes either.

g.c.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:15:58 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:34:18 -0400, "Robert11"
wrote:

Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Try the new Picardin based mosquito repellants. I used one for the
first time last night on a mosquito infested river bank, by far the
worst place for skeets I've seen this year. I used Cutter Advanced,
although I'm sure there are others. It seemed to work at least as well
as my Ben's 100 does. It also doesn't dissolve plastic fly lines and
rod finishes either.

g.c.


Thats Picaridin not Picardin (sorry Jean-Luc).

http://www.picaridin.com/default.htm

g.c.

"Robert11" wrote: Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling. Mosquitos just love him
in the summer. If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.
Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently. A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several
places over the years that at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be
avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.
Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?
How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?
Any other repellents "worth" trying ?"

Read this link on DEET: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/128/11/931

Many duck hunters in Louisiana swear by Thermacell.
http://www.mosquitorepellent.com/

You can also have him try Skin so Soft by Avon.

Down hear in the marsh of Louisiana, we have to deal with not only the
mosquito but the sal****er gnats. I have a friend that combats them by
putting on a heavy layer of Hawaiian Tropic suntan lotion. The mosquito and
gnats don't bite him they stick to him and drown in the oil. He carries a
towel with him to wipe down every so often and apply more.

Sarge

Robert11 wrote:
Hello:

Have a question re DEET.

Have a friend who is lactose intolerant, and as a result apparently emits a
higher
level of CO2 than most folks while exhaling.

Mosquitos just love him in the summer.
If you go out with him, they all go to him. Really amazing.

Anyway, want him to try some of the stronger DEET products than he has been
using presently.

A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

Check out http://www.deetonline.org/

The 100 percent DEET is good for about ten hours or so. It is really 95
percent DEET, the rest inert ingredients. really no reported ill
affects. But hell some people are allergic to salt etc. It's really
good stuff. I've been using it since the 60's. I prefer the MUSKOL
version.\

davidN

Robert11 wrote:
Hello:

Have a question re DEET.


A bit worried about the 100% deet, as I read in several places over the
years that
at this strength it is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
True ?

Not sure. Canada no longer supports sales of 100% DEET products. This is
because of rapide absortion of DEET across the skin.


Dropping down in strengths, I see iall the products seem to go from the 100%
to 30% for several 3M offerings.
Doesn't seem to be anything between 100% and 30%, surprisingly.

Is the 30 % "fairly" effective ?

Data suggets about 6 hours of repellency, but repellency is a relative
term, just means fewer bites than if you didn't use the product.
Apparently, 2 separate doses of 25% DEET provide prtection fo rthe same
length of time as a single dose of 100% DEET, with half the prodcut.

How dangerous is this stuff per any recent research ?

Any other repellents "worth" trying ?

Thanks,
Bob

See the information at
http://www.pmra-arla.gc.ca/english/c...ellents-e.html .
Also, the page http://www.pmra-arla.gc.ca/english/c...osquito-e.html
provides a link to a safety evaluation of DEET.

Tim Lysyk

On 4 Jul 2005 07:51:19 -0700, "George Adams"
wrote:

I use Ben's 100, which is 99% Deet, and I tend to agree with Tim, in
that the major difference in the concentrations is the length of
protection rather than the amount. That said, however, my experience
with the very low concentrations, (15% and below), is that they are
not very effective.
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Dave LaCourse wrote:

I'm with you, George. In Labrador the only way to survive is by using
Ben's 100. The Buzz Off clothing products sold by many manufacturers
work well. And, if you spray your clothes with some of the 30% stuff
(including your hat), you should be bug free for awhile.

Forget the bug hats/jackets. While they work in keeping the biting
insects away from your skin, they will coat the screen so thick that
it will be impossible to see through them. Been there. Done that.

Dave

Agreed all around. I was in Maine with one of my sons a couple of years ago
and we hit the no-see-ums. I used some 100% DEET on my hat, bandana and
sleeves and did OK. He insisted on using his head net and it was so covered
with the buglets that he couldn't see.

Something that was passed on to me just this week that I hadn't thought of
before. My buddy Jim wears sun gloves (these: http://tinyurl.com/7p4jl )
and I'm going to get some the bext time I'm ordering stuff. Not only do
they keep the sun off (something I need) , they also keep mosquitoes and
blackflies from biting your hands. I seem to be really prone to getting
mosquito bites between my fingers. The gloves have a cuff you can pull over
the end of your shirtsleeve too.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps