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Anyone have any recommendations for a good not-hyper-expensive two handed
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:40:39 -0500, "JAL"
wrote: Anyone have any recommendations for a good not-hyper-expensive two handed rod for overhead casting? thanks, john How big? All of the Daiwa Lochmors (Scottish) are good overhead rods as well as spey casters and they run from 12'6" - 8 wt. to 15'6" - 11 wt. Order from Scotland, about $400.00 landed. The 11 ' CND Atlantis 11/12 and All-Rounder 9/10 are dedicated overhead striper rods. About $500.00 Loop Blue 7116 and the new 8116 plus the 8124. Loop Green 9116 (11'6" - 9 wt.) - Meant for Underhand casting, they work equally well overhaed. All of the good Underhand rods seem to be good overhead casters -- probably the characteristics of one works for the other. About $440.00 for the Blue series and about $600.00 for the Green. TFO 1212 T&T 1212 I have the 11/12 wt. Atlantis and two of the new version Lochmors (9 wt. & 10 wt.) plus the Loop Blue 7116 and 8124. The 7116 isn't available anymore and it instead sold as the 8116, Loop having stiffened the tip section. I've also owned the old Lochmor X 11 wt. and fished the 8 wt. version as well. Also had a chance to try the 9116 Green Loop. All of them are great overhead rods. Haven't tried the TFO or the T&T so can't comment on those. One word of caution, the line ratings are only suggestive as these rods can carry a broad range of grain weight. If you buy one of the rods I've suggested, I can give you line recommendations. As an example, the older version Daiwa Lochmor X 8 wt. would suggest a WF-8-F line but the bare minimum is a WF-10-F. I've overhead cast, with the full 65' head aerialized, a 630 grain line. My two Daiwas and the Atalntis will handle from 400 to 600 grains overhead without breaking a sweat. The Loop 7116 is a 300 grain rod while the 8124 is more in the 400 grain range. HTH Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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"JAL" wrote: Anyone have any recommendations for a good not-hyper-expensive two handed rod for overhead casting? There are two good recommendations. One is the the moderately priced but "hyper" superior quality CND atlantis (www.cndspey.com) and then their is the tfo ticr 12 weight two handed rod that is cheap but has moderate quality and hard to beat customer service |
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Hi
You tried overhead with a 15 ft rod (if that's the length you want)? Spey casting is much better, overhead with long rods causes many wind (overhand) knots, bad news when a fish hits. "JAL" wrote in message ... Anyone have any recommendations for a good not-hyper-expensive two handed rod for overhead casting? thanks, john |
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:53:04 -0700, "Roddytoo"
wrote: Hi You tried overhead with a 15 ft rod (if that's the length you want)? Spey casting is much better, overhead with long rods causes many wind (overhand) knots, bad news when a fish hits. Not if they're cast properly. Two-handers cast immense distances overhead and will cast consistently good loops if the handle is in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing. Most converts from single to double-handers flog the crap out of them thinking that a big rod needs a lot of effort. Nothing could be further from the truth. How about casting over 100' without even closing your hands around the handle? Watch the best casters and they look like they're barely using any effort at all. BTW, I don't consider myself to be a good caster, just an average one and 125' to 135' overhead is routine for me -- no tailing loops, no wind knots using rods up to 16'. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Peter Charles wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:53:04 -0700, "Roddytoo" wrote: Hi You tried overhead with a 15 ft rod (if that's the length you want)? Spey casting is much better, overhead with long rods causes many wind (overhand) knots, bad news when a fish hits. Not if they're cast properly. Two-handers cast immense distances overhead and will cast consistently good loops if the handle is in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing. Most converts from single to double-handers flog the crap out of them thinking that a big rod needs a lot of effort. Nothing could be further from the truth. How about casting over 100' without even closing your hands around the handle? Watch the best casters and they look like they're barely using any effort at all. BTW, I don't consider myself to be a good caster, just an average one and 125' to 135' overhead is routine for me -- no tailing loops, no wind knots using rods up to 16'. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html you need to come down sometime when the albies are running and fish the hook at cape lookout...you'll reach areas all the other landlocked flycasters dream of. of course, those of us with boats...well g i hear wally now has an in with the sal****er flyfishing crowd out of harkers island. he oughta plan a salty gathering... jeff jeff |
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:55:52 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: you need to come down sometime when the albies are running and fish the hook at cape lookout...you'll reach areas all the other landlocked flycasters dream of. of course, those of us with boats...well g i hear wally now has an in with the sal****er flyfishing crowd out of harkers island. he oughta plan a salty gathering... jeff Now that would be kewl. Never hooked a false albie. Tell Wally to get his wealthy fly shop owner butt in gear. ![]() Be nice to get down to NC again and see y'all again. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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OK, here's another question: Please understand that I know next to zero
about spey casting. Could one spey cast in shallow ocean beach areas, especially if there's little to no surf? I realize that some folks use two handers for surf casting, but wondered what would prevent using a traditional spey cast in flat salt water? thanks, John "Roddytoo" wrote in message ... Hi You tried overhead with a 15 ft rod (if that's the length you want)? Spey casting is much better, overhead with long rods causes many wind (overhand) knots, bad news when a fish hits. "JAL" wrote in message ... Anyone have any recommendations for a good not-hyper-expensive two handed rod for overhead casting? thanks, john |
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:08:41 -0500, "JAL"
wrote: OK, here's another question: Please understand that I know next to zero about spey casting. Could one spey cast in shallow ocean beach areas, especially if there's little to no surf? I realize that some folks use two handers for surf casting, but wondered what would prevent using a traditional spey cast in flat salt water? thanks, John "Roddytoo" wrote in message ... Hi You tried overhead with a 15 ft rod (if that's the length you want)? Spey casting is much better, overhead with long rods causes many wind (overhand) knots, bad news when a fish hits. "JAL" wrote in message ... Anyone have any recommendations for a good not-hyper-expensive two handed rod for overhead casting? thanks, john Normal spey casting needs current and that can be supplied by a tidal rip in sal****er, but the best appilcation for spey casting off the beach is to use the cast as a setup for an overhead delivery. Visualize a left-to-right wave action that tends to sweep your fly to the right. As it gets close to shore, when you're finished stripping in line, there's too little line beyond the tiptop to provide an adequate load. At this point, execute a snake roll that pops sufficient line out for a decent load, then lift the line off the water, execute the overhead delivery and watch 100'+ sail out without any false casting. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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