Really Non-stretch Fishing line - Authoraitative advice please

I am a lawn bowls umpire and we are told to use fishing line for certain
measuring between bowls to find which is closest to the target. Sometimes
over a distance of as much as 10 or 15 metres the difference between 2 bowls
is very close, say only 10 millimetres or less, so for accurate measurement
it is essential to have a line which does not stretch.

I went to a local shop (Watford, UK) and was sold "Dacron braided leader"
which was said to be non-stretch but in practice I have found this is far
from the case. So I am seeking really authoritative advice on what line to
buy as a replacement.

I need a minimum of about 45 metres in length (because on occasion we also
use a line pulled tight from one end of the bowls rink to the other end),
and I believe price is not really an issue - I don't want to spend more than
is necessary but would not jib at £25 if that is what it takes to get
something which really offers the minimum stretch. I need the full
identifying name so as not to get the wrong product.

If you cannot yourself advise, do you know a chap who can !!!
Thanks so much
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Regards, Jack Sadie

"Jack Sadie" wrote in message
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I am a lawn bowls umpire and we are told to use fishing line for certain
measuring between bowls to find which is closest to the target. Sometimes
over a distance of as much as 10 or 15 metres the difference between 2
bowls is very close, say only 10 millimetres or less, so for accurate
measurement it is essential to have a line which does not stretch.

I went to a local shop (Watford, UK) and was sold "Dacron braided leader"
which was said to be non-stretch but in practice I have found this is far
from the case. So I am seeking really authoritative advice on what line to
buy as a replacement.

I need a minimum of about 45 metres in length (because on occasion we also
use a line pulled tight from one end of the bowls rink to the other end),
and I believe price is not really an issue - I don't want to spend more
than is necessary but would not jib at £25 if that is what it takes to get
something which really offers the minimum stretch. I need the full
identifying name so as not to get the wrong product.

If you cannot yourself advise, do you know a chap who can !!!
Thanks so much
--
Regards, Jack Sadie

For fishing purposes nylon braid is sufficiently stretch free however I
think what you need is coated wire braid ( as used by the wreck lads for
shark conger etc) which has virtually no stretch - at least till 50lb+ of
angry fish leans on it I have not seen really long lengths tho' usually 20
metre is about the lot but you can attach them together with crimps have a
look at http://www.bestfishingtackle.co.uk/a...___Crimps.html or
http://www.ultimatepursuits.co.uk/pa...&product=59870
Derek

Thanks Derek for the suggestion but for our purposes I really think the idea
of jointing lengths would be frowned upon.
From another source PowerPro braid has been suggested as being "near Zero
Stretch" and can be purchased in 100 metre lengths. Do you have any comments
on use of that?

Also it may help to know that we use a builder's chalk line (Stanley
Fatmax) to carry the line and it has a 3 to 1 gear for rapid rewind. I would
like to post a jpg picture of the "reel" with the fixed and sliding
measuring points so that you can see how it functions.

Is it in order to post a jpg file (443KB) to the group?
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Regards, Jack Sadie


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"Jack Sadie" wrote in message
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I am a lawn bowls umpire and we are told to use fishing line for certain
measuring between bowls to find which is closest to the target. Sometimes
over a distance of as much as 10 or 15 metres the difference between 2
bowls is very close, say only 10 millimetres or less, so for accurate
measurement it is essential to have a line which does not stretch.

I went to a local shop (Watford, UK) and was sold "Dacron braided leader"
which was said to be non-stretch but in practice I have found this is far
from the case. So I am seeking really authoritative advice on what line
to buy as a replacement.

I need a minimum of about 45 metres in length (because on occasion we
also use a line pulled tight from one end of the bowls rink to the other
end), and I believe price is not really an issue - I don't want to spend
more than is necessary but would not jib at £25 if that is what it takes
to get something which really offers the minimum stretch. I need the full
identifying name so as not to get the wrong product.

If you cannot yourself advise, do you know a chap who can !!!
Thanks so much
--
Regards, Jack Sadie

For fishing purposes nylon braid is sufficiently stretch free however I
think what you need is coated wire braid ( as used by the wreck lads for
shark conger etc) which has virtually no stretch - at least till 50lb+ of
angry fish leans on it I have not seen really long lengths tho' usually 20
metre is about the lot but you can attach them together with crimps have a
look at http://www.bestfishingtackle.co.uk/a...___Crimps.html or
http://www.ultimatepursuits.co.uk/pa...&product=59870
Derek

Any of the "new" braided lines will do ,look for spider wire or fusion
on the box,one problem though is that it is so limp it knots very easily
so I suggest getting some thing around the 50lb breaking strain &
preferably coated in nylon for winding into the stanley tool.


Jack Sadie wrote:
Thanks Derek for the suggestion but for our purposes I really think the idea
of jointing lengths would be frowned upon.
From another source PowerPro braid has been suggested as being "near Zero
Stretch" and can be purchased in 100 metre lengths. Do you have any comments
on use of that?

Also it may help to know that we use a builder's chalk line (Stanley
Fatmax) to carry the line and it has a 3 to 1 gear for rapid rewind. I would
like to post a jpg picture of the "reel" with the fixed and sliding
measuring points so that you can see how it functions.

Is it in order to post a jpg file (443KB) to the group?


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Cliff.

Sea Anglers have "BIGGER" Tackle.

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"Jack Sadie" wrote in message
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I am a lawn bowls umpire and we are told to use fishing line for certain
measuring between bowls to find which is closest to the target. Sometimes
over a distance of as much as 10 or 15 metres the difference between 2
bowls is very close, say only 10 millimetres or less, so for accurate
measurement it is essential to have a line which does not stretch.

There is no such thing as a completely stretch free line. Minimum stretch
for your purposes might be a braided -fused- polyethylene line.

For fishing purposes nylon braid is sufficiently stretch free however I
think what you need is coated wire braid ( as used by the wreck lads for
shark conger etc) which has virtually no stretch - at least till 50lb+ of

Does it matter that it expands/contracts noticeably with heat?

Thanks Derek for the suggestion but for our purposes I really think the idea
of jointing lengths would be frowned upon.
From another source PowerPro braid has been suggested as being "near Zero
Stretch" and can be purchased in 100 metre lengths. Do you have any comments
on use of that?

A serious side issue is that modern low-stretch fishing braids are very thin,
strong and often camoflaged. It would be possible for someone not to see a
line and to walk into it - the resulting wrench could cut the fingers of
anyone holding it to the bone - or worse.

I fancy you need something much thicker. If the rule specifies fishing line
then visit a chandler and ask for 'cod line' which is actually a grade of
heavy twine used in boating - it can be had in a number of different
materials but is always laid/braided thick enough to be finger safe in
ordinary use.

If you use a line of sufficient breaking stress then the stretch -you- can
put on it under ordinary loads will be little even if it would stretch a lot
more under heavy strain. This is the principle of the surveying chain - it
would stretch too if you could pull a couple of tons...

Any braided line will stretch a little as it takes up the weave, after that
it will come up tight - fused braids don't relax the weave and so don't have
the problem. You could try working some glue into your dacron braid and
stretching it tight to dry, (fuse it yourself).

The only low stretch monofilament worth considering is monel metal wire
which is horrible to use :-(

Also it may help to know that we use a builder's chalk line (Stanley
Fatmax) to carry the line and it has a 3 to 1 gear for rapid rewind. I would
like to post a jpg picture of the "reel" with the fixed and sliding
measuring points so that you can see how it functions.

Is it in order to post a jpg file (443KB) to the group?

No.

Dry superbraids whipping onto a geared up drum are another nasty finger
risk.

If you want an excuse to stick with the buider's twine then there may be a
way out. I use builder's twine as fly-line backing... :-)

Cheerio,

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Thanks again for your trouble. There is no rule which governs the type of
line used; its just that fishing line is pretty much what people say to use
but none of them can tell you which one they have got and I suspect that
many of them stretch as much or more than mine!

I like the sound of the cod line and will have a look into that. For my
purpose it would be helpful if there was someplacee where the stretch factor
was quantified for all the different twines and lines of different materials
and diameters, but I suppose that would be too easy!
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Regards, Jack Sadie


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I am a lawn bowls umpire and we are told to use fishing line for
certain
measuring between bowls to find which is closest to the target.
Sometimes
over a distance of as much as 10 or 15 metres the difference between 2
bowls is very close, say only 10 millimetres or less, so for accurate
measurement it is essential to have a line which does not stretch.

There is no such thing as a completely stretch free line. Minimum stretch
for your purposes might be a braided -fused- polyethylene line.

For fishing purposes nylon braid is sufficiently stretch free however
I
think what you need is coated wire braid ( as used by the wreck lads
for
shark conger etc) which has virtually no stretch - at least till 50lb+
of

Does it matter that it expands/contracts noticeably with heat?

Thanks Derek for the suggestion but for our purposes I really think the
idea
of jointing lengths would be frowned upon.
From another source PowerPro braid has been suggested as being "near Zero
Stretch" and can be purchased in 100 metre lengths. Do you have any
comments
on use of that?

A serious side issue is that modern low-stretch fishing braids are very
thin,
strong and often camoflaged. It would be possible for someone not to see
a
line and to walk into it - the resulting wrench could cut the fingers of
anyone holding it to the bone - or worse.

I fancy you need something much thicker. If the rule specifies fishing
line
then visit a chandler and ask for 'cod line' which is actually a grade of
heavy twine used in boating - it can be had in a number of different
materials but is always laid/braided thick enough to be finger safe in
ordinary use.

If you use a line of sufficient breaking stress then the stretch -you- can
put on it under ordinary loads will be little even if it would stretch a
lot
more under heavy strain. This is the principle of the surveying chain -
it
would stretch too if you could pull a couple of tons...

Any braided line will stretch a little as it takes up the weave, after
that
it will come up tight - fused braids don't relax the weave and so don't
have
the problem. You could try working some glue into your dacron braid and
stretching it tight to dry, (fuse it yourself).

The only low stretch monofilament worth considering is monel metal wire
which is horrible to use :-(

Also it may help to know that we use a builder's chalk line (Stanley
Fatmax) to carry the line and it has a 3 to 1 gear for rapid rewind. I
would
like to post a jpg picture of the "reel" with the fixed and sliding
measuring points so that you can see how it functions.

Is it in order to post a jpg file (443KB) to the group?

No.

Dry superbraids whipping onto a geared up drum are another nasty finger
risk.

If you want an excuse to stick with the buider's twine then there may be a
way out. I use builder's twine as fly-line backing... :-)

Cheerio,

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