Mohican (Mohegan according to spell checker) Mayfly?

I got this book, "Master Flytyer's Handbook" or some such title--I don't
have the book with me, and I don't recall the author's name, but I believe
he is British, cause no person of any other nationality would sell such a
book to Americans! Ok, I say this because: the book is very well
illustrated, with some of the most beautiful patterns, of which the patterns
are most professionally diagrammed for tyin' purposes. Unfortunately, the
LARGE PRINT tyin' instructions leave one with the impression that tyin' any
one of the flyz will be a snap.

Take it from me, there is nothin' easy about tyin' these flyz!

I settled on tyin' the Mohican Mayfly. Very few materials are required:

hook--size 12 short shank with wide gape;
thread--Kevlar (I used Unithread 6);
body--3/32" strip of closed cell foam 6" long (I got as close as possible to
3/32".......... 7/8"?);
tail--moose body hair (longish) (right on the money with this one);
wing--Texas whitetail deer (I have coastal deer hair, works for me)
hackle--grizzly and brown (I used med. Dun, I have no clue why?)

Gettin' started ain't too terribly difficult. Clamp hook in vise, tie on
thread, tie in 4 moose hairs for tail, move up shank, tie in deer hair
wings, fold 6" piece of foam in half, bend around wing back toward tail, tie
off behind wing-post, wrap thread around foam to create body segments,
continuin' beyond bend in hook taperin' each segment smaller-----here's
where things go all to ****----fold foam back toward wing-post and overlap
each segment again. This wouldn't be so difficult to accomplish, if
evolution had equipped me with two additional hands, and the fly could be
suspended *SOLIDLY* in midair!

I was able to work my way back to the wing-post and figured that wrappin'
the hackle around the foam and post, parachute style, and then foldin' the
foam back down to the eye of the hook to form a head would be the bitch, but
that was actually easy--compared to the second wrap of body segments.

I completed three flyz, but they don't come close to looking like the
"Master Tyer's!"

Markin' pens cover-up some of the flaws, but a Master Tyer I ain't, YET!

Any suggestions from Master Tyer's would be greatly appreciated!

Op --Oh yeah, this fly isn't made to be tied on a *true* rotary vise, and a
needle to support the foam didn't work (for me anyway) either?--

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
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...hook--size 12 short shank with wide gape;...
...body--3/32" strip of closed cell foam 6" long (I got as close as
possible to 3/32".......... 7/8"?);...

Any suggestions from Master Tyer's would be greatly appreciated!

No master myself, but I believe I could hide a box of a hundred size 12
short shank hooks pretty effectively in a 6" long by 7/8" wide strip of just
about anything. Personally, I think you did well to wind up with something
that bears even a passing resemblance to a fly.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
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...hook--size 12 short shank with wide gape;...
...body--3/32" strip of closed cell foam 6" long (I got as close as
possible to 3/32".......... 7/8"?);...

Any suggestions from Master Tyer's would be greatly appreciated!

No master myself, but I believe I could hide a box of a hundred size 12
short shank hooks pretty effectively in a 6" long by 7/8" wide strip of
just
about anything. Personally, I think you did well to wind up with
something
that bears even a passing resemblance to a fly.

Wolfgang

Actually, I got alot closer to 3/32" than I admitted to. I tied a coupla
more after posting and they turned out pretty dang good. I'll try to posts
some pics at a.b.p.f., in the near future.

I'm beginin' to get the hang of that Renzetti Mr. Mohnsen sent me. I like
it berry, berry much!

Op

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
...
I got this book, "Master Flytyer's Handbook" or some such title--

(stuff snipped)

Take it from me, there is nothin' easy about tyin' these flyz!
I settled on tyin' the Mohican Mayfly. Very few materials are required:

hook--size 12 short shank with wide gape;
thread--Kevlar (I used Unithread 6);
body--3/32" strip of closed cell foam 6" long (I got as close as possible
to 3/32".......... 7/8"?);
tail--moose body hair (longish) (right on the money with this one);
wing--Texas whitetail deer (I have coastal deer hair, works for me)
hackle--grizzly and brown (I used med. Dun, I have no clue why?)
(stuff snipped)
and the fly could be
suspended *SOLIDLY* in midair!

I was able to work my way back to the wing-post and figured that wrappin'
the hackle around the foam and post, parachute style, and then foldin' the
foam back down to the eye of the hook to form a head would be the bitch,
but that was actually easy--compared to the second wrap of body segments.

I completed three flyz, but they don't come close to looking like the
"Master Tyer's!"
(snip)
--Oh yeah, this fly isn't made to be tied on a *true* rotary vise, and a
needle to support the foam didn't work (for me anyway) either?--

Heh . . . heh. Hi Op,
I found a good reference for tying extended bodies is "The Fly Tier's
Benchside Reference" by Leeson and Schollmeyer.

Here are a few thoughts:
Don't think you have to make all parts of the fly at the same time for
extended bodies. When I was in the production kinda stuff, the bodies were
prepared separately. Trick is to secure them through the hook and anchor
them in pretty snug, before finishing the front part of the fly.
Our custom stuff seemed to come a bit more from the East side of the
country, and they wanted deer for the extended bodies. I don't tie many for
myself, but foam is my choice.
The tails, I personally don't use much. They are gone, or portions of them,
in the first couple fish. The tails look nice, though.
For these flies I do use a rorary vise, and I use a needle to build the
tail, mostly.
DaveMohnsen
Denver

"Dave Mohnsen" wrote in message news:G%VOf.2305
Heh . . . heh. Hi Op,
I found a good reference for tying extended bodies is "The Fly Tier's
Benchside Reference" by Leeson and Schollmeyer.

Yep, I recall quite a few folks braggin' on the same book, some time back.
I imagine that Uncle Wally Winter keeps a copy in inventory, at his flyshop.
I'll drop in and see soon!

The book that I was tyin' from is precise in it's detail and supports it's
patterns with large drawings and detailed instructions. I'm sure that you'd
be familiar with the book, if I could just remember the title and author
myself?

Here are a few thoughts:
Don't think you have to make all parts of the fly at the same time for
extended bodies. When I was in the production kinda stuff, the bodies
were prepared separately. Trick is to secure them through the hook and
anchor them in pretty snug, before finishing the front part of the fly.

I seriously doubt that "production" *tie flying* will ever be in my future,
as the flyz that you received in the swap should make abundantly apparent.
However, I figure that if I tie two flyz for each swap I might get a bit
better before I die!

Presently, I'm just tryin' to follow instructions, so I tied the fly like
the author recommened--you'll get a chance to judge for yourself, as I plan
this pattern to be on of the
2................................................. .............thousand
flies I owe ya :~^)

Our custom stuff seemed to come a bit more from the East side of the
country, and they wanted deer for the extended bodies. I don't tie many
for myself, but foam is my choice.

I tried tyin' deer hair extended bodies, some time back. How'd that go, you
ask? NOT TOO GOOD! I believe that I used the sewin' needle method? I bled
a lot more than I tied.

The tails, I personally don't use much. They are gone, or portions of
them, in the first couple fish. The tails look nice, though.

I'm a tail man, myself. Somethin' just don't seem right about no tail.
Aesthetics I guess?

For these flies I do use a rorary vise, and I use a needle to build the
tail, mostly.

I continued to work with the Traveler once I figured out that I needed to
flip the fly around and work it backwards on the vise. It still ain't too
easy to do that second wrap of foam body segments!

Thanks a gain and you'll get yours too, believe me!

Op

DaveMohnsen
Denver

The book that I was tyin' from is precise in it's detail and supports it's
patterns with large drawings and detailed instructions. I'm sure that you'd
be familiar with the book, if I could just remember the title and author
myself?

Oliver Edwards and Flytyer's Masterclass is possibly the book you're
referring to.

Steve

"Stephen Welsh" wrote in message
oups.com...
The book that I was tyin' from is precise in it's detail and supports
it's
patterns with large drawings and detailed instructions. I'm sure that
you'd
be familiar with the book, if I could just remember the title and author
myself?

Oliver Edwards and Flytyer's Masterclass is possibly the book you're
referring to.

Steve


That's it, Steve!
For some reason I just can't seem to wrap what little bit of mind I have
around the important things in life :~^(

Op

Hmmm ... not sure I'd say recalling book titles was all _that_
important.



Steve

Hi, i know the author is Oliver Edwards and i have the video to mount this
flies. But i don't have his book.
I am interested to have this book me to.

Pierre


"Mr. Opus McDopus" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
I got this book, "Master Flytyer's Handbook" or some such title--I don't
have the book with me, and I don't recall the author's name, but I believe
he is British, cause no person of any other nationality would sell such a
book to Americans! Ok, I say this because: the book is very well
illustrated, with some of the most beautiful patterns, of which the
patterns are most professionally diagrammed for tyin' purposes.
Unfortunately, the LARGE PRINT tyin' instructions leave one with the
impression that tyin' any one of the flyz will be a snap.

Take it from me, there is nothin' easy about tyin' these flyz!

I settled on tyin' the Mohican Mayfly. Very few materials are required:

hook--size 12 short shank with wide gape;
thread--Kevlar (I used Unithread 6);
body--3/32" strip of closed cell foam 6" long (I got as close as possible
to 3/32".......... 7/8"?);
tail--moose body hair (longish) (right on the money with this one);
wing--Texas whitetail deer (I have coastal deer hair, works for me)
hackle--grizzly and brown (I used med. Dun, I have no clue why?)

Gettin' started ain't too terribly difficult. Clamp hook in vise, tie on
thread, tie in 4 moose hairs for tail, move up shank, tie in deer hair
wings, fold 6" piece of foam in half, bend around wing back toward tail,
tie off behind wing-post, wrap thread around foam to create body segments,
continuin' beyond bend in hook taperin' each segment smaller-----here's
where things go all to ****----fold foam back toward wing-post and overlap
each segment again. This wouldn't be so difficult to accomplish, if
evolution had equipped me with two additional hands, and the fly could be
suspended *SOLIDLY* in midair!

I was able to work my way back to the wing-post and figured that wrappin'
the hackle around the foam and post, parachute style, and then foldin' the
foam back down to the eye of the hook to form a head would be the bitch,
but that was actually easy--compared to the second wrap of body segments.

I completed three flyz, but they don't come close to looking like the
"Master Tyer's!"

Markin' pens cover-up some of the flaws, but a Master Tyer I ain't, YET!

Any suggestions from Master Tyer's would be greatly appreciated!

Op --Oh yeah, this fly isn't made to be tied on a *true* rotary vise, and
a needle to support the foam didn't work (for me anyway) either?--

"Pierre Gauthier" wrote in message
...
Hi, i know the author is Oliver Edwards and i have the video to mount this
flies. But i don't have his book.
I am interested to have this book me to.

Pierre

I found this site via google: http://tinyurl.com/hzzfx

And here is the google search, if that site doesn't work out.
http://tinyurl.com/gqxus

Good luck, Pierre!

Op --I like my copy of Edwards' book, but I just gotta learn to tie better
flies--