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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century
Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are. (BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush was president.) I think every responsible american needs to know about this committee, as its members are in high places and have already had trememdous influence on multiple facets of our lives. With the recent and upcoming changes in Washington, I think we'd do well to keep an eye out for these guys. For example, I didn't know that John Bolton was a member. Or Dan Quayle. Along with the rights of freedom of speech and the right to vote comes the responsibility to always continue to become more informed of the machinations of politics. I hope one or two folks have their curiosity piqued by this. Anyone have more references, books, etc to recommend? --riverman |
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![]() "riverman" wrote in message ups.com... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are. (BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush was president.) --riverman This group is the essences of NEOCON. The Christian Science Monitor has this linked to its website: http://tinyurl.com/8ay2r They are our government within our government! Op |
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![]() "Steve" wrote in message ... On 12 Nov 2006 01:10:18 -0800, "riverman" wrote: Anyone have more references, books, etc to recommend? ****, just read their "Statement of Principles", it'll make ya shiver. http://www.newamericancentury.org/st...principles.htm From "Are We Safer", a treatise in the 'Iraq and Middle East' section: "Iraq was not some sideshow when it comes to the broader war on terror. The fact that no WMD stockpiles were found - and the occupation poorly executed at times - does not mean that it was the wrong war at the wrong time. As both David Kay and Charles Duelfer, the heads of the post-war inspection team concluded, Saddam Hussein was still committed to acquiring those weapons. He had had them in the past and the evidence indicates he wanted them again." and "Focused on the narrow question of whether Saddam had any hand in the attacks of 9-11, they have ignored the reports coming from prisoner debriefs, uncovered internal Iraqi intelligence documents and, for that matter, declassified Clinton-era National Security Council memos pointing toward a budding "marriage of convenience" between Saddam and bin Laden. As Thomas Kean, the co-chairman of the 9-11 Commission, put it: "There was no question in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda." Hmmm, interesting how they rationalize misinformation and lies. There were no WMDs, but that's okay because he 'wanted them'. There was no connection between Saddam and Bin Laden, however 'there was no question in their minds that there was'. I guess its all okay, just as long as you believe it. --riverman |
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Do you think that the scumbags have a vested interest in military
spending??? Fred -- "riverman" wrote in message ups.com... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are. (BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush was president.) I think every responsible american needs to know about this committee, as its members are in high places and have already had trememdous influence on multiple facets of our lives. With the recent and upcoming changes in Washington, I think we'd do well to keep an eye out for these guys. For example, I didn't know that John Bolton was a member. Or Dan Quayle. Along with the rights of freedom of speech and the right to vote comes the responsibility to always continue to become more informed of the machinations of politics. I hope one or two folks have their curiosity piqued by this. Anyone have more references, books, etc to recommend? --riverman |
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![]() "Fred Lebow" wrote in message et... Do you think that the scumbags have a vested interest in military spending??? Fred Did anyone read Max Boot's Q&A? If he's not a neocon, he sure missed a good chance! Op |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:24:20 -0500, "Opus McDopus"
wrote: "riverman" wrote in message oups.com... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are. (BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush was president.) --riverman This group is the essences of NEOCON. The Christian Science Monitor has this linked to its website: http://tinyurl.com/8ay2r They are our government within our government! The last thing I read about them was that many of them become very disenchanted with government and politics after a while working with them. Unfortunately, they're not the ones we have to worry about... -- r.bc: vixen Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc.. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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![]() "Cyli" wrote in message ... The last thing I read about them was that many of them become very disenchanted with government and politics after a while working with them. Unfortunately, they're not the ones we have to worry about... -- It makes one wonder how many of them are Veterans? Op |
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"Cyli" wrote in message
... On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:24:20 -0500, "Opus McDopus" wrote: "riverman" wrote in message roups.com... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are. (BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush was president.) --riverman This group is the essences of NEOCON. The Christian Science Monitor has this linked to its website: http://tinyurl.com/8ay2r They are our government within our government! The last thing I read about them was that many of them become very disenchanted with government and politics after a while working with them. Unfortunately, they're not the ones we have to worry about... I worry equally about loonies like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manucher_Ghorbanifar ....and the fact that he's still trying to sell ideas to weakminded pols, such as George Bush. |
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Steve wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:30:23 +0800, "riverman" wrote: I guess its all okay, just as long as you believe it. Except when one governs one of the most powerful nations on earth. IMHO it looks like nothing so much as Manifest Destiny dusted off and given a new suit of clothes. Chuck Vance |
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Steve wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:40:59 -0600, Conan The Librarian wrote: IMHO it looks like nothing so much as Manifest Destiny dusted off and given a new suit of clothes. So you think that Divine Providence has expanded our franchise? ;-) Bush could very well believe that. Nothing encourages sin like the blessing of one's deity. I fear those who believe they have some duty to expand our role of influence and to enforce their own sense of morals on other countries at gunpoint in the name of gawd. There were a couple of phrases in particular that give me the creeps: "... America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles". " ... Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity" Chuck Vance (just what is this "international order" anyway ... is it anything like the "new world order"?) |
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