Senko's

Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!
Thanx!!

"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
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Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!

Great baits, and the expense is worth it to many folks. I've tried Yum
Dingers at less than half the price, and they work very well also. People
report many different knockoffs that they think work just as well. You're
just going to have to try a few and see how they work for you.

Good luck.

Six bucks for a pak of ten isn't all that pricey..they catch bass
period, more salt, better motion on the fall, and over 100 colors for
all occasions.. with a 40k price tag on a boat and truck, 2/3k on
other tackle, and gas at this time around $2.50 a gallon, for a 200 mile
round trip, I want to catch bass, so if I use 3/4 paks and catch some
quality bass on them its a small price....good bassin' to ya..

sket

www.wackyworm.com, one of the better knockoffs and now they have 6 inch
wacko's as well

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Six bucks for a pak of ten isn't all that pricey..they catch bass
period, more salt, better motion on the fall, and over 100 colors for
all occasions.. with a 40k price tag on a boat and truck, 2/3k on
other tackle, and gas at this time around $2.50 a gallon, for a 200 mile
round trip, I want to catch bass, so if I use 3/4 paks and catch some
quality bass on them its a small price....good bassin' to ya..

sket

There's no question that senkos are a great lure and really catch fish. I
wouldn't mind the price nearly as much if they were more durable. It seems
that every time I catch a fish on one, the fish fighting is enough to shake
the Senko off the hook. I'll bet that 6 or 7 times out of ten, The senko is
gone by the time I land the fish.
On the plus side, they work so well that I can pretty much count on catching at
least one fish on each one. So to me, each pack of Senkos equals 12 to 15 fish
caught.
The one knock off of the senko that I have had good success is the Wave
lures Tiki-Stik.

-Zimmy

Marty wrote:
"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
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Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!


I have never fished the Senko, but I have been in the same boat with a
pro fishing it, he swears by them, but on that day, he could not buy a
fish on it, I had landed 6 before he changed baits. I think it just
might be over promoted, I'm sure it works fine when the fish are not
high pressured, and are active, or maybe it just was other unknown
reasons it did not work that day

That's the weird thing about bass,, and bass fishing, sometimes you
think they will only hit one lure, or hit one better than others, I
believe it's all in the mood of each fish, at any given time, that not
only the lure, but the exact presentation, at the exact time. Of course
you don't know what either is until you start catching fish

ANother thing is "is there actually a bass there?", I would bet that for
every 100 cast, on average, you might bring it by 5 to 10 bass, and that
is if your good at finding bass. You could easily drag the best lure,
for the conditions, through the water for an hour,, and never drag it by
a bass, then change over to another less productive lure, and then start
dragging it by bass and catching them. Fishing is like Pin the tail on
the Donkey,, but your blind folded, and no one points you even close to
the right direction, or there is no donkey to pin, but you don't know it.

So how do you know which lure is worth the money,, you don't,, not
really,, you just base your belief on the lures you have caught the most
fish on, yet there are hundreds of other variables, that could have
caused this, the biggest being,, you threw one lure more times than
others, thus making it more productive,, You believe in the lure, so you
use it more.

WE all know that at certain times, a bass will hit anything that moves,,
sometimes even things that don't move, but we spend hundreds or even
thousands of hours trying to figure out what works best,, no one has
ever done this, or they would win every tournament they interred.

SO what conclusions do we draw ?

It just can't be figured out :-)

Yet some fishermen catch more and bigger than "most" others on most
days. I think they do so more on their ability to "find" fish, than the
lure they are using.

When fish are found , the "presentation" of any lure, makes more of a
difference than the lure, and this is where I spend my time inventing,
and testing. Testing is the hardest part in this,, how do you do
control test in bass fishing,, you really can't,, there is no control
you have over the fish or the conditions , so the only way I can do any
test that really matters is head to head, in the same boat, fishing for
the same fish, at the same time with different "presentations". I will
be testing one,, but there are thousands of others, I need to test against

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Thanks, Sket, and hooray for common sense, one of the most rare of God's
creations. Some may disapprove here, but for the moment I am going to pursue
this concept much further.

I occasionaly hear some really good, intelligent anglers rant at our lures,
proclaiming "I would never pay over $7 for a spinnerbait". That, folks, is
just not real smart. Consider these factors: Good (repeat, "Good")
spinnerbaits are among the most expensive lures to make, and their prices
are seldom a rip-off. Spinnerbaits are also among the hardest lures to lose,
and can often survive many, many years(!) of hard use. Used properly, over
the long run spinnerbaits will catch as many fish as any lure, and they
often run larger. The original average selling prices of good spinnerbaits
are in line with the prices of other good lures, but when their long average
life span is figured in, good spinnerbaits are probably the lowest priced
lures on the market to own.

Spend over $7.00 for a good spinnerbait? Our non-kitted lures are about 8
bucks each (with fully interchangeable blades), and other excellent
spinnerbaits are also available in the same price range without that
feature. I don't know of better values than that.

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

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Six bucks for a pak of ten isn't all that pricey..they catch bass
period, more salt, better motion on the fall, and over 100 colors for
all occasions.. with a 40k price tag on a boat and truck, 2/3k on
other tackle, and gas at this time around $2.50 a gallon, for a 200 mile
round trip, I want to catch bass, so if I use 3/4 paks and catch some
quality bass on them its a small price....good bassin' to ya..

sket

Damn Rodney, save for the last paragraph that's a pretty darn accurate post.
As for inventing & testing ways to up our catch, we're all pretty much doing
that. A head-to-head on-the-same-boat test is far from scientific because
the two anglers can never possibly be considered "equal", nor could the
fish/fishing situation/lure action ect. All we can do is fish & see the
results, which almost inevitably will differ on our next try...

In the case of Gary's Senko, we do have a truly extraordinary bait w/o
question. It's a bait that works (far) more often than not regardless of
how it's presented, and even seems to shine the brightest with the simplest
& easiest of all presentations - the deadstick. Nobody seems to be able to
explain exactly why the Senko appeals so much to bass, but who cares? It's
probably the single best bait in the world to put in the hands of a novice
bass angler (my wife not withstanding) because of its live bait-like appeal.

As good as the Senko is, it's a mistake to become addicted to throwing it
(or any other bait), as there are times when the fish simply won't eat it.

I, for one, hope a true "miracle" bass lure never does get invented. I
doubt it ever will.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"Rodney" . wrote in message
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Marty wrote:
"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
...

Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!


I have never fished the Senko, but I have been in the same boat with a
pro fishing it, he swears by them, but on that day, he could not buy a
fish on it, I had landed 6 before he changed baits. I think it just
might be over promoted, I'm sure it works fine when the fish are not
high pressured, and are active, or maybe it just was other unknown
reasons it did not work that day

That's the weird thing about bass,, and bass fishing, sometimes you
think they will only hit one lure, or hit one better than others, I
believe it's all in the mood of each fish, at any given time, that not
only the lure, but the exact presentation, at the exact time. Of course
you don't know what either is until you start catching fish

ANother thing is "is there actually a bass there?", I would bet that for
every 100 cast, on average, you might bring it by 5 to 10 bass, and that
is if your good at finding bass. You could easily drag the best lure,
for the conditions, through the water for an hour,, and never drag it by
a bass, then change over to another less productive lure, and then start
dragging it by bass and catching them. Fishing is like Pin the tail on
the Donkey,, but your blind folded, and no one points you even close to
the right direction, or there is no donkey to pin, but you don't know it.

So how do you know which lure is worth the money,, you don't,, not
really,, you just base your belief on the lures you have caught the most
fish on, yet there are hundreds of other variables, that could have
caused this, the biggest being,, you threw one lure more times than
others, thus making it more productive,, You believe in the lure, so you
use it more.

WE all know that at certain times, a bass will hit anything that moves,,
sometimes even things that don't move, but we spend hundreds or even
thousands of hours trying to figure out what works best,, no one has
ever done this, or they would win every tournament they interred.

SO what conclusions do we draw ?

It just can't be figured out :-)

Yet some fishermen catch more and bigger than "most" others on most
days. I think they do so more on their ability to "find" fish, than the
lure they are using.

When fish are found , the "presentation" of any lure, makes more of a
difference than the lure, and this is where I spend my time inventing,
and testing. Testing is the hardest part in this,, how do you do
control test in bass fishing,, you really can't,, there is no control
you have over the fish or the conditions , so the only way I can do any
test that really matters is head to head, in the same boat, fishing for
the same fish, at the same time with different "presentations". I will
be testing one,, but there are thousands of others, I need to test against

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7 spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"G. M. Zimmermann" wrote in message
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There's no question that senkos are a great lure and really catch fish. I
wouldn't mind the price nearly as much if they were more durable. It
seems
that every time I catch a fish on one, the fish fighting is enough to
shake
the Senko off the hook. I'll bet that 6 or 7 times out of ten, The senko
is
gone by the time I land the fish.
On the plus side, they work so well that I can pretty much count on
catching at
least one fish on each one. So to me, each pack of Senkos equals 12 to 15
fish
caught.
The one knock off of the senko that I have had good success is the
Wave
lures Tiki-Stik.

-Zimmy

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:27:38 -0400, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7 spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren

Randy and Dave laughed at me today because I still fish Gary's product
and haven't switched to the Wacko.

I'm sure there are a few reasons I haven't switched to one of the
knock-off sticks yet. Firstly, it's one of the few things in which I
have brand loyalty. Along with Shimano reels, St. Croix rods (and/or
blanks), Secret Weapon spinnerbaits and Lunker City Fin-S Fish. Simply
the best at what they are and what they do IMO.

Secondly, I have tried many of the knock-off sticks and simply I
haven't found any that do the job any better than the real Senko.

Lastly is confidence. I believe in them.

$5.98 for a pack of worms? Heck yeah. For every ten pack I can
reasonably expect to catch 3-4 fish (or more). Sounds like a bargain
to me!

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
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