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Hello just bought a Sage 1201 it's a smaller reel with an offset
gears.. I fished with it twice and really think it is a great solid little reel. But when I took the spool off I noticed that the main shaft gear had rust on all the teeth. I fished in a light drizzle with it other than that kept it as dry as I could given the fact that I'm standing in water and my line is wet from water etc. etc...the reel still operates fine. Just wondering if I should be concerned? or if there is anything that I could apply to prevent/remove further rusting? Any Tips appreciated. Brian |
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Have you cleaned off the rust?
1. If yes you have cleaned off the rust so Sage could not see it, I would take the reel fishing one more time and then disassemble it and look for rust' a. if you DO find rust after one more use go to 2 below. b. if you do NOT find rust, then presume the original rust was due to not oiled originally. Watch the reel closely for rust and if rust reappears after cleaning go to 2. below 2. If you have NOT cleaned off the rust, Immediately take the reel back where you bought it and ask for your money back or substitute another reel. 3. Go fish and then look for rust on your new reel. Go to 1 above, if you have rust. Good luck! Go fish. John wrote in message ups.com... Hello just bought a Sage 1201 it's a smaller reel with an offset gears.. I fished with it twice and really think it is a great solid little reel. But when I took the spool off I noticed that the main shaft gear had rust on all the teeth. I fished in a light drizzle with it other than that kept it as dry as I could given the fact that I'm standing in water and my line is wet from water etc. etc...the reel still operates fine. Just wondering if I should be concerned? or if there is anything that I could apply to prevent/remove further rusting? Any Tips appreciated. Brian |
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On Aug 11, 6:10 am, wrote:
Hello just bought a Sage 1201 it's a smaller reel with an offset gears.. I fished with it twice and really think it is a great solid little reel. But when I took the spool off I noticed that the main shaft gear had rust on all the teeth. I fished in a light drizzle with it other than that kept it as dry as I could given the fact that I'm standing in water and my line is wet from water etc. etc...the reel still operates fine. Just wondering if I should be concerned? or if there is anything that I could apply to prevent/remove further rusting? Any Tips appreciated. Brian If itīs rusty anywhere, then it is defective.If gears are rusty on the teeth, they will usually bind and fail before too long, and the rust will cause excessive wear. Reels should not rust in freshwater. Freshwater reels may corrode slightly when used in salt or brackish water, because they are not designed for it, but no reel should rust in fresh water. As the other gentleman advised, take it back and ask for your money back. Before you do so, make sure it actually is rust. I have had people bring "rusty" reels to me, and the "rust" was in fact lubricating grease. This comes in a number of colours and types, and some of it can look a bit like rust. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en |
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PS, if you fish in "muddy" streams, or get mud on the line etc, some
of the deposits left on the reel when it dries can also look like rust. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en |
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On Aug 12, 10:22 pm, Mike wrote:
PS, if you fish in "muddy" streams, or get mud on the line etc, some of the deposits left on the reel when it dries can also look like rust. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en No it's rust. Shop won't take it back say it is a Sage problem. Trying to get a hold of Sage but having trouble actually talking to anyone so I sent an email. We'll see. Worst case here can I regrease it and hope it holds?. It's working fine now but that could change. Thanks for the replies. Brian |
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![]() wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 12, 10:22 pm, Mike wrote: PS, if you fish in "muddy" streams, or get mud on the line etc, some of the deposits left on the reel when it dries can also look like rust. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en No it's rust. Shop won't take it back say it is a Sage problem. Trying to get a hold of Sage but having trouble actually talking to anyone so I sent an email. We'll see. Worst case here can I regrease it and hope it holds?. It's working fine now but that could change. Thanks for the replies. Brian I would say as long as you keep it cleaned up between uses, you should be fine till getting it replaced. I think I would find a new shop! JT |
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On Aug 14, 9:46 pm, wrote:
On Aug 12, 10:22 pm, Mike wrote: PS, if you fish in "muddy" streams, or get mud on the line etc, some of the deposits left on the reel when it dries can also look like rust. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en No it's rust. Shop won't take it back say it is a Sage problem. Trying to get a hold of Sage but having trouble actually talking to anyone so I sent an email. We'll see. Worst case here can I regrease it and hope it holds?. It's working fine now but that could change. Thanks for the replies. Brian It wonīt break immediately, especially if you keep it cleaned and greased, but a new reel that goes rusty is just bad news. Once things start rusting, they tend to continue, and once there are pits on the gears, you will have problems. I canīt really figure out why any manufacturer would use materials that might rust, even in a "cheap" reel. As far as I am aware, the shop is bound to take it back if it is defective. The seller is responsible that goods he sells are fit for their intended purpose, and a reel that rusts most patently is not! I am not au fait with the exact merchandising laws in America, but that is the case here. Before you waste time, money and effort running after Sage, go to your local chamber of commerce, and explain the problem. They will usually persuade the dealer to take it back, and refund your money. The reel is not listed on the Sage site, http://www.sageflyfish.com/default.asp?p=58 Furthermore, if the dealer tells you it is a "Sage problem" he is merely trying to get out of his responsibilities. If he means that it is a known problem, he could also be liable for knowingly selling defective and unsuitable goods. Lastly some "cheap" equipment is not really a good idea. If it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is! There are plenty of reasonably priced reliable reels from reputable dealers, and you would be well advised to go that route, once you solve your problem. Walt Winter, who subscribes here is a reliable source, and often highly recommended; http://wilsoncreekoutfitters.com/ These things can be difficult to resolve. But there is no point hanging on to a defective reel. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:02:41 -0700, Mike
wrote: On Aug 14, 9:46 pm, wrote: On Aug 12, 10:22 pm, Mike wrote: PS, if you fish in "muddy" streams, or get mud on the line etc, some of the deposits left on the reel when it dries can also look like rust. -- Regards and tight lines! Mike Connor http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/ http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en No it's rust. Shop won't take it back say it is a Sage problem. Trying to get a hold of Sage but having trouble actually talking to anyone so I sent an email. We'll see. Worst case here can I regrease it and hope it holds?. It's working fine now but that could change. Thanks for the replies. Brian It wonīt break immediately, especially if you keep it cleaned and greased, but a new reel that goes rusty is just bad news. Once things start rusting, they tend to continue, and once there are pits on the gears, you will have problems. I canīt really figure out why any manufacturer would use materials that might rust, even in a "cheap" reel. As far as I am aware, the shop is bound to take it back if it is defective. The seller is responsible that goods he sells are fit for their intended purpose, and a reel that rusts most patently is not! I am not au fait with the exact merchandising laws in America, but that is the case here. Before you waste time, money and effort running after Sage, go to your local chamber of commerce, and explain the problem. They will usually persuade the dealer to take it back, and refund your money. The reel is not listed on the Sage site, http://www.sageflyfish.com/default.asp?p=58 Furthermore, if the dealer tells you it is a "Sage problem" he is merely trying to get out of his responsibilities. If he means that it is a known problem, he could also be liable for knowingly selling defective and unsuitable goods. Lastly some "cheap" equipment is not really a good idea. If it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is! There are plenty of reasonably priced reliable reels from reputable dealers, and you would be well advised to go that route, once you solve your problem. Walt Winter, who subscribes here is a reliable source, and often highly recommended; http://wilsoncreekoutfitters.com/ These things can be difficult to resolve. But there is no point hanging on to a defective reel. And if those layabouts at the Chamber don't immediately go tar and feather that crooked sumbitch reel huckster, call Fulbright and Jaworski at 1 212 318 30...um, look it up...and don't settle for any associates or other nonsense. Tell them you want a partner in the "Rusty Reels" section. Also, call the local police, the sheriff, and the FBI. Don't take no for an answer - stand your ground! You know your rights! Tell 'em Mike Connor told you that you was robbed! Then go back to the dealer and beat him senseless with a sock full of moldy sauerkraut - that'll teach that sorry, evil spawn of the goddamned devil himself! If you get no satisfaction, go buy a 3-axis CNC, and build a replacement part out of a billet of titanium, and see if someone like Northrop-Grumman or the like can put some badass supersecret military coating on the whole thing, just to make sure. ....or maybe just another day or two and see if Sage responds...eh, either route... HTH, R |
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![]() Some alloys of stainless steel have a tendency to create a fine layer of "hard rust" which actually works as a protectant and hardner for wear on those surfaces, and is not considered a detriment, or flaw in the material. That said, I have 3 pfleuger 1492's that are 40 or more years old, have been used in all kinds of adverse water conditions, including salt, that show no signs of ruat whatsoever. Personally, I'd be furious if I spent the money on a brand name like sage, only to have it rust. -- stumpy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ stumpy's Profile: http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulleti...hp?userid=1915 View this thread: http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulleti...ad.php?t=12205 ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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![]() Well thanks for the replies. It's a shame , I'm ...well..rather "financially challenged", and made a decision based on name and reputation and I'm sure it's a rare case. But I'm calling sage um...often and leaving messages getting nowhere. I'm sure it's not a priority to deal with a guy who bought one of their low end reels. But you live and learn I'll keep trying and get to the bottom of it or fish it till it freezes...Hopefully they will return my calls. Thanks, Brian |
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