DT Fly line for a slower action rod.

Hello,
I built a 6wt rod and it has a slower action. In fact it throws a 5wt
line much better, I learned this by trying a wf5. I wanted to buy a dt
line for it and was wondering if there were any that compliment slower
rods more?. I know that there are wf specifically designed for fast
rods but wasn't sure about double taper line.
Thanks,
Brian

On 5 Dec, 20:05, wrote:
Hello,
I built a 6wt rod and it has a slower action. In fact it throws a 5wt
line much better, I learned this by trying a wf5. I wanted to buy a dt
line for it and was wondering if there were any that compliment slower
rods more?. I know that there are wf specifically designed for fast
rods but wasn't sure about double taper line.
Thanks,
Brian

The line weight a rod will handle is independent of the action.
"Action" is defined as being the point to which a rod bends when
casting the optimal weight. If the rod casts 30 ft of #6 weight line
optimally, then it is normally referred to as a #6 weight rod.

http://www.stcroixrods.com/content.asp?id=70

Weights above and below the optimal weight also affect the action.
Using a lighter weight makes the rod action faster.

Judging by what you wrote, and assuming you are a reasonable caster,
then it sounds as if you would be best served with a #4 DT line.

This also depends on how you fish, the average length of line you
cast, and the size/weight of the flies involved.

TL
MC

For optimal performance on a slow rod, a silk line is best. If you
want to know the reasons for this and what I wrote above, then please
ask.

TL
MC

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Hello,
I built a 6wt rod and it has a slower action. In fact it throws a 5wt
line much better, I learned this by trying a wf5. I wanted to buy a dt
line for it and was wondering if there were any that compliment slower
rods more?. I know that there are wf specifically designed for fast
rods but wasn't sure about double taper line.
Thanks,
Brian

Greetings Brian,
I've found the DT (Double Taper) lines work well with slow action
fly-rods. If you're currently casting a 5wt WF with your 6wt rod, you
can probably throw a 4wt DT line, or the 5wt DT line as slow fly-rods
are very forgiving. You should also cast at different distances to find out
which line weight will work best. Here's anything to try, see how slow you
can make the cast with that full action rod, you might be surprised. Also
try the roll cast, don't use a lot of power, just east to a stop.
-tom

On Dec 5, 2:36 pm, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
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Hello,
I built a 6wt rod and it has a slower action. In fact it throws a 5wt
line much better, I learned this by trying a wf5. I wanted to buy a dt
line for it and was wondering if there were any that compliment slower
rods more?. I know that there are wf specifically designed for fast
rods but wasn't sure about double taper line.
Thanks,
Brian

Greetings Brian,
I've found the DT (Double Taper) lines work well with slow action
fly-rods. If you're currently casting a 5wt WF with your 6wt rod, you
can probably throw a 4wt DT line, or the 5wt DT line as slow fly-rods
are very forgiving. You should also cast at different distances to find out
which line weight will work best. Here's anything to try, see how slow you
can make the cast with that full action rod, you might be surprised. Also
try the roll cast, don't use a lot of power, just east to a stop.
-tom

thanks for the replies. The blank I builit the rod on is rated 6wt but
I have a hard time believing that is the optimal weight to through
with it. When I strung it with 6wt line if felt like I was throwing a
stick through a mudwall even with 15-20ft out if I went to 30 flex was
felt under the cork...when I switched to 5 it opened up and cast like
a dream with minimal effort. The reason I asked is that I have read
that newer wf lines are designed for fast action rods and wasn't sure
if it was the same with dt. I have some dt4 maybe I'll try that lots
of snow here in Cleveland today so that might postpone it for a bit.
Thanks again,
Brian

On 5 Dec, 21:02, wrote:

thanks for the replies. The blank I builit the rod on is rated 6wt but
I have a hard time believing that is the optimal weight to through
with it. When I strung it with 6wt line if felt like I was throwing a
stick through a mudwall even with 15-20ft out if I went to 30 flex was
felt under the cork...when I switched to 5 it opened up and cast like
a dream with minimal effort. The reason I asked is that I have read
that newer wf lines are designed for fast action rods and wasn't sure
if it was the same with dt. I have some dt4 maybe I'll try that lots
of snow here in Cleveland today so that might postpone it for a bit.
Thanks again,
Brian

There is no "rating" as such for blanks, or rods either for that
matter. The only rating applies to the line.

If the rod is bending to the corks with 30 feet of line out, then
there are basically two possibilities, you are overloading it, (= line
is too heavy) or you are trying to cast too fast. The "rating" as such
is actually meaningless.

Obviously you can cast it with a #5 WF so that indicates that a #6 is
simply too heavy.

Slow rods also require a slow casting action.

The only design feature of any real significance on any line is the
weight per foot. It is basically immaterial whether a rod is fast or
slow. A WF line exactly matched to a rod will cast very well, and a
shooting head best of all.

With regard to a DT , if the rod is overloaded with a #6WF, and casts
reasonably well with a #5 WF, then the only real option is to try a
#4DT, as using anything else will simply overload it at anything but
very short range.

TL
MC

Mike wrote:
On 5 Dec, 21:02, wrote:
thanks for the replies. The blank I builit the rod on is rated 6wt but
I have a hard time believing that is the optimal weight to through
with it. When I strung it with 6wt line if felt like I was throwing a
stick through a mudwall even with 15-20ft out if I went to 30 flex was
felt under the cork...when I switched to 5 it opened up and cast like
a dream with minimal effort. The reason I asked is that I have read
that newer wf lines are designed for fast action rods and wasn't sure
if it was the same with dt. I have some dt4 maybe I'll try that lots
of snow here in Cleveland today so that might postpone it for a bit.
Thanks again,
Brian

There is no "rating" as such for blanks, or rods either for that
matter. The only rating applies to the line.

Total nonsense. All modern fly rods and fly rod blanks are
given a line weight designation by the manufacturer. You can
argue that the designation is sometimes inaccurate but to say
that there is no such thing is demonstrably false and needlessly
confusing. Except in *very* rare instances the AFTMA line weight
designation given to a fly rod by its manufacturer correctly
identifies the fly line it will cast best. In fact I have never
encountered a situation where this was not true, even with the
cheap KPOS's I've tried.

This may be one of those very rare instances but it is definitely
unusual for a rod marked 6wt to be anything other than a 6wt.
If the 5wt line works well my advice would be to stick with it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Dec 5, 2:05 pm, wrote:

I built a 6wt rod and it has a slower action. In fact it throws a 5wt
line much better, I learned this by trying a wf5. I wanted to buy a dt
line for it and was wondering if there were any that compliment slower
rods more?. I know that there are wf specifically designed for fast
rods but wasn't sure about double taper line.

Yes there are lines that compliment slower rods better, Some you might
want to look at are the Rio Selective trout II (not sure if it is
shipping yet), The SA Mastery trout tapers or SA XPS lines, the
Cortland Classic 444, or the Classic Slyk. Another line that would be
worth trying on that blank is Wulff LB 6wf. It's kind of a hybrid wf/
dt line and seems to work really well on slower rods.

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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On Dec 5, 2:05 pm, wrote:

I built a 6wt rod and it has a slower action. In fact it throws a 5wt
line much better, I learned this by trying a wf5. I wanted to buy a dt
line for it and was wondering if there were any that compliment slower
rods more?. I know that there are wf specifically designed for fast
rods but wasn't sure about double taper line.

Yes there are lines that compliment slower rods better, Some you might
want to look at are the Rio Selective trout II (not sure if it is
shipping yet), The SA Mastery trout tapers or SA XPS lines, the
Cortland Classic 444, or the Classic Slyk. Another line that would be
worth trying on that blank is Wulff LB 6wf. It's kind of a hybrid wf/
dt line and seems to work really well on slower rods.


I second the Cortland 444 DT5F - Peach

JT

On 5 Dec, 23:23, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Total nonsense.
--
Ken Fortenberry

Unfortunately, unlike AFTM line ratings (which correspond directly to
the weight of the first 30 feet of the line), the rating of fly rods
is subjective. For example, I might test a fly rod and consider it
perfect for a number 6 line, while someone else deems the same rod
better suited to a number 7 line. In my experience, American
manufacturers tend to under-rate their rods, which often work better
with lines one or two sizes heavier than indicated.

MC