line choice for beginner

I want to start fly fishing and have rod (5 wt) and reel (7wt). I will buy a
5 wt floating line since this has recommended for me, but am wondering
whether a weight forward or double taper would be appropriate. I see the
advantage of the DT is that you get twice the use because you can reverse it
eventually. I would also think that since my reel is a bit large for my
rod/line weight that a double taper might be appropriate. Do you guys think
it would be a good idea or should I just get a weight forward line? Also,
does it matter which exactly one I get? I have been told to get the best or
close to it. Do you have any specific recommendations as to brand?

TIA

Dan

What rod are you using ?

If you have a reel matched for a 7wt, it would probably not be a bad idea to
fill it up with backing.
That way your flyline will be less coiled (but remeber to stretch it before you
go fishing). However
depending on the reel it self it might might be a bit heavy for the rod, i.e.
move the balance too far
back.

Bud, if you are just starting you won't notice any difference between a
double taper and a weight forward. Indeed, in average stream fishing, they
are no different except in certain situations.

Just get a five weight line, rather a name brand at a good price than the
'best' you can get. It is necessary for you to progress to the point where
you can say, I don't like' this' or 'that' in my 'rod' or 'line' for your
question to have any relevance.

Go fish. worry more about your leader, tippet, knots and presentation. A
good caster can take a lousy line on a good rod, or a good line on a lousy
rod, or BOTH and catch fish.

Easy big fellah, whoa Sea Biscuit....

. . .kiss my ass I've got a boat, I'm goin out to sea....

john




"Dan" wrote in message
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I want to start fly fishing and have rod (5 wt) and reel (7wt). I will buy
a
5 wt floating line since this has recommended for me, but am wondering
whether a weight forward or double taper would be appropriate. I see the
advantage of the DT is that you get twice the use because you can reverse
it
eventually. I would also think that since my reel is a bit large for my
rod/line weight that a double taper might be appropriate. Do you guys
think
it would be a good idea or should I just get a weight forward line? Also,
does it matter which exactly one I get? I have been told to get the best
or
close to it. Do you have any specific recommendations as to brand?

TIA

Dan

Your logic is good. The advantage of a weight foreward is that you can cast
it further when you learn how to shoot line, and you can carry more backing.
the latter is not a consideration if you have a larger reel to start with.
Eventually you may find some discomfort with the size of the reel, and you
may want to get one that would better balnace the reel as Sven suggested.
If you're just getting started, I would worry to much about that yet.
(unless money is no object)
Which band and which model? A good a starting line is the Sci. Angler 333
available (or was) at Walmart for less than $30 If money is no object, most
of the lines are good. The only line I don't like is the clear Cortland
555..too much memory!
"Dan" wrote in message
...
I want to start fly fishing and have rod (5 wt) and reel (7wt). I will buy
a
5 wt floating line since this has recommended for me, but am wondering
whether a weight forward or double taper would be appropriate. I see the
advantage of the DT is that you get twice the use because you can reverse
it
eventually. I would also think that since my reel is a bit large for my
rod/line weight that a double taper might be appropriate. Do you guys
think
it would be a good idea or should I just get a weight forward line? Also,
does it matter which exactly one I get? I have been told to get the best
or
close to it. Do you have any specific recommendations as to brand?

TIA

Dan




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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
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If you're just getting started, I would worry to much about that yet.
(unless money is no object)..money no object?

I think that's it.

I couldn't teach a hungry baby to suckle. I'd kill it first out of
frustration.

When I 'taught' my wife to flyfish, I showed her a cast or three. I cast,
she watched.

Then I showed her how to shake the line out of the rod tip. I turned and
walked away. My point? Well, Unless you happen to have a professional, and
be into some serious one on one, it doesn't really matter what you hit the
water with.

Watch a video from the library about casting and you can hit the water. Just
don't cast. Later, when you want more line out, you'll learn.

Hopefully, soon, you will have made acquaintances and you can try their rods
with your line or whatever.

Of course the sooner you meet those guys the better.

But let's face it. We are doing ourselves a disservice here. I'd recommend
this cyclic deprived Rod Stewart to buy some really expensive **** and I'll
look for it in three weeks on ebay....

john

Hi All,

There is a dramatic difference between fly line finishes. I have sold them
all sense 1965 and have cast them all too.

There are tons of real old technology lines out there for the low price
point market that feel like sand paper when you cast them. We are always
looking for the best value for the dollar. Fly lines like the old SA
'Aircel' and Cortland '333' are 1950s technology. You have to get to a
certain level to get into the newer smoother finish lines that are not going
to negatively effect your casting.

We found that the Cortland '444' peach colored line (1964) has been the
turning point for many years. Another newer line that is great for beginners
in the SA/Master 'Head Start' (~year 2000) because it has the new 'AST'
finish. We are talking $40 and up to get something that is real smooth and
will cast very near like the best. The best lines in the world now are only
$60USD so I don't know why anyone would not get the best?

The best rods are $700 so that is understandable why most won't go there.

For many years the common advise to put the most money towards a good fly
line, secondly the rod and lastly the reel.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
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Your logic is good. The advantage of a weight foreward is that you can
cast
it further when you learn how to shoot line, and you can carry more
backing.
the latter is not a consideration if you have a larger reel to start with.
Eventually you may find some discomfort with the size of the reel, and you
may want to get one that would better balnace the reel as Sven suggested.
If you're just getting started, I would worry to much about that yet.
(unless money is no object)
Which band and which model? A good a starting line is the Sci. Angler
333
available (or was) at Walmart for less than $30 If money is no object,
most
of the lines are good. The only line I don't like is the clear Cortland
555..too much memory!
"Dan" wrote in message
...
I want to start fly fishing and have rod (5 wt) and reel (7wt). I will
buy
a
5 wt floating line since this has recommended for me, but am wondering
whether a weight forward or double taper would be appropriate. I see the
advantage of the DT is that you get twice the use because you can
reverse
it
eventually. I would also think that since my reel is a bit large for my
rod/line weight that a double taper might be appropriate. Do you guys
think
it would be a good idea or should I just get a weight forward line?
Also,
does it matter which exactly one I get? I have been told to get the best
or
close to it. Do you have any specific recommendations as to brand?

TIA

Dan




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Hi,
I would second Bill K's advice about the cost - you can buy an SA or
Cortland and have a good quality line for less than $50-$60.
I would say that the weight forward is MUCH easier to cast for a beginner,
as the Double Taper does not put as much weight up front, and you will
notice the difference in your casting, which at first will be 40 feet and
under- this will be much easier with a WF line. The advantage of a double
taper (reversing it) is really kind of silly - by the time the front wears
out, do you think the rest of the line is still unblemished? A damaged line
is a damaged line.
The real advantage to a DT is that because it has less weight up front you
can make more delicate (read - less splashy) casts when presenting dries at
a distance. You won't be doing that for the first year or two probably, so
go with the WF and have some fun!

Bill
http://www.tightlines.ca

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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Hi All,

There is a dramatic difference between fly line finishes. I have sold them
all sense 1965 and have cast them all too.

There are tons of real old technology lines out there for the low price
point market that feel like sand paper when you cast them. We are always
looking for the best value for the dollar. Fly lines like the old SA
'Aircel' and Cortland '333' are 1950s technology. You have to get to a
certain level to get into the newer smoother finish lines that are not
going
to negatively effect your casting.

We found that the Cortland '444' peach colored line (1964) has been the
turning point for many years. Another newer line that is great for
beginners
in the SA/Master 'Head Start' (~year 2000) because it has the new 'AST'
finish. We are talking $40 and up to get something that is real smooth and
will cast very near like the best. The best lines in the world now are
only
$60USD so I don't know why anyone would not get the best?

The best rods are $700 so that is understandable why most won't go there.

For many years the common advise to put the most money towards a good fly
line, secondly the rod and lastly the reel.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...

Your logic is good. The advantage of a weight foreward is that you can
cast
it further when you learn how to shoot line, and you can carry more
backing.
the latter is not a consideration if you have a larger reel to start
with.
Eventually you may find some discomfort with the size of the reel, and
you
may want to get one that would better balnace the reel as Sven
suggested.
If you're just getting started, I would worry to much about that yet.
(unless money is no object)
Which band and which model? A good a starting line is the Sci. Angler
333
available (or was) at Walmart for less than $30 If money is no object,
most
of the lines are good. The only line I don't like is the clear
Cortland
555..too much memory!
"Dan" wrote in message
...
I want to start fly fishing and have rod (5 wt) and reel (7wt). I will
buy
a
5 wt floating line since this has recommended for me, but am wondering
whether a weight forward or double taper would be appropriate. I see
the
advantage of the DT is that you get twice the use because you can
reverse
it
eventually. I would also think that since my reel is a bit large for
my
rod/line weight that a double taper might be appropriate. Do you guys
think
it would be a good idea or should I just get a weight forward line?
Also,
does it matter which exactly one I get? I have been told to get the
best
or
close to it. Do you have any specific recommendations as to brand?

TIA

Dan




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Bill Curry wrote:
Hi,
I would second Bill K's advice about the cost - you can buy an SA or
Cortland and have a good quality line for less than $50-$60.
I would say that the weight forward is MUCH easier to cast for a beginner,
as the Double Taper does not put as much weight up front, and you will
notice the difference in your casting, which at first will be 40 feet and
under- this will be much easier with a WF line.

Although there are some individual difference, overall a double taper
and a weight forward line are the same for about the first thirty five
to forty feet. (This is true for SA, Cortland and Orvis standard lines -
not their specialty lines) Add a leader to this and in the average
stream fishing situation you'll never get to the place where the
difference between the two will show up.



The advantage of a double
taper (reversing it) is really kind of silly - by the time the front wears
out, do you think the rest of the line is still unblemished? A damaged line
is a damaged line.

I disagree. Almost all of the wear on a fly line is on the first ten
feet or so. I do think that you get twice the utility out of a double
taper line. When the line has worn enough, I'll reverse a double taper
and the other section is in close to new condition.



The real advantage to a DT is that because it has less weight up front you
can make more delicate (read - less splashy) casts when presenting dries at
a distance. You won't be doing that for the first year or two probably, so
go with the WF and have some fun!

This is only true on the "specialty" lines. With most manufacturers, the
tapers on the weight forward and the double tapers are the same for the
first 40 feet or so.


So for trout fishing and streams and most rivers which 95% + of all
casts are (or should be) under fifty feet, I recommend a DT line because
you get two lines for the price of one. With heavier outfits where
you're going to need to boom out casts, a WF is better.

Willi

Hi,

Willi - that is what I said - casts at 40 feet for the beginning.
It is as he stretches out to 50 and 60 feet that it is much easier with a
WF, and
very difficult with a DT, for a beginner.
Going on the theory that the line
will wear out in a few seasons, it is at that point that casting acumen may
call for a DT.
My main point is that the bit about being able to reverse a DT line is
hooey. By the time someone uses the line that much, they are going to be
into the sport enough to want a good line, and will probably have both a WF
for long distance casting (which they already would have under my scenario)
and a DT for fine distance casting of dry flies.

Bill
http://www.tightlines.ca


"Willi" wrote in message
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Bill Curry wrote:
Hi,
I would second Bill K's advice about the cost - you can buy an SA or
Cortland and have a good quality line for less than $50-$60.
I would say that the weight forward is MUCH easier to cast for a
beginner,
as the Double Taper does not put as much weight up front, and you will
notice the difference in your casting, which at first will be 40 feet
and
under- this will be much easier with a WF line.

Although there are some individual difference, overall a double taper
and a weight forward line are the same for about the first thirty five
to forty feet. (This is true for SA, Cortland and Orvis standard lines -
not their specialty lines) Add a leader to this and in the average
stream fishing situation you'll never get to the place where the
difference between the two will show up.



The advantage of a double
taper (reversing it) is really kind of silly - by the time the front
wears
out, do you think the rest of the line is still unblemished? A damaged
line
is a damaged line.

I disagree. Almost all of the wear on a fly line is on the first ten
feet or so. I do think that you get twice the utility out of a double
taper line. When the line has worn enough, I'll reverse a double taper
and the other section is in close to new condition.



The real advantage to a DT is that because it has less weight up front
you
can make more delicate (read - less splashy) casts when presenting dries
at
a distance. You won't be doing that for the first year or two probably,
so
go with the WF and have some fun!

This is only true on the "specialty" lines. With most manufacturers, the
tapers on the weight forward and the double tapers are the same for the
first 40 feet or so.


So for trout fishing and streams and most rivers which 95% + of all
casts are (or should be) under fifty feet, I recommend a DT line because
you get two lines for the price of one. With heavier outfits where
you're going to need to boom out casts, a WF is better.

Willi

"Bill Curry" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP The real advantage to a DT is that because it has less weight up
front you
can make more delicate (read - less splashy) casts when presenting dries
at
a distance. You won't be doing that for the first year or two probably, so
go with the WF and have some fun!

Bill
http://www.tightlines.ca


There is no difference between the front tapers of most DT and WF lines.
The term WF ( weight forward) is in any case a misnomer. A WF line is
merely a shooting head with integrated running line.

As there is no difference, there are no special advantages to either at
close range. For longer range casting, a WF can be useful. But I can´t
imagine anybody "presenting" dry flies at a distance which would make a WF
line necessary.

TL
MC