Green Drakes, spinners and duns

Read with interest the posts to Frank's thread. A couple of thoughts for
what they are worth. First, do NOT attempt to imitate spinners and duns with
the same patterns. The duns are noticably darker in body color, the spinners
are nearly dead white. Second, avoid both long shank hooks and stiff
extended bodies on the spinners(duns seem less of a problem, as they a
gulped rather that sucked in like the spinners). The feather type extended
pattern works well, and if I might suggest a Dick Talleur idea, so does a
simple poly yarn extension. The pattern:

Hook--12 standard dry fly
Thread--White 6/0
Body--piece of white poly yarn, about 2 inches long, singed to melt at
either end. Lash this to the body over hook point, extending to rear.
Thorax--black fur, your choice. I use squirrel or rabbit.
Wing--heavily tied longish grizzley, 2 or three feathers wound hackle-wise
and clipped top and bottom.

There you have it.....easy to tie, painless to lose. The fish eat them up
like the real thing and they stay in their mouths real well. Go to it
guys...
one more I don't have to make batches of giveaways for you all!
Tom

"Thomas Littleton" wrote

Hook--12 standard dry fly
Thread--White 6/0
Body--piece of white poly yarn, about 2 inches long, singed to melt at
either end. Lash this to the body over hook point, extending to rear.


Do you have trouble with that long of piece of poly fouling under the hook
bend? I've tried similar ideas and did, is why I ask.

Borger's Damsel dry might be a good starting point?

off the top of my head

hook
body ...braided butt material ( this is sold in quanity as shooting line for
shooting heads ) with a bump of thread under it to keep it from fouling in
the hook bend

body would be ( I've never seen a coffin fly ) black? poly yarn tied in as
parachute post

wing ... parachute hackle of right color and size

now separate the hackle at the front of the hook and pull the post down and
tie it off to complete the fly

... same idea, different colors might make a good EGD spinner ?

btw what is the scientific name on this fly? We have three pretty different
bugs in the Jellystone area that all go by the name Green Drake

"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Thomas Littleton" wrote

Hook--12 standard dry fly
Thread--White 6/0
Body--piece of white poly yarn, about 2 inches long, singed to melt at
either end. Lash this to the body over hook point, extending to rear.


Do you have trouble with that long of piece of poly fouling under the hook
bend? I've tried similar ideas and did, is why I ask.

Borger's Damsel dry might be a good starting point?

off the top of my head

hook
body ...braided butt material ( this is sold in quanity as shooting line
for
shooting heads ) with a bump of thread under it to keep it from fouling in
the hook bend

body would be ( I've never seen a coffin fly ) black? poly yarn tied in as
parachute post

wing ... parachute hackle of right color and size

now separate the hackle at the front of the hook and pull the post down
and
tie it off to complete the fly

... same idea, different colors might make a good EGD spinner ?

btw what is the scientific name on this fly? We have three pretty
different
bugs in the Jellystone area that all go by the name Green Drake


No real problem with fouling of the poly, but I use a coarse poly yarn.
The taxinomical name of the bug at Penns is Ephemera Guttlatta or something
like that. Very close in classification to the European E. Danica.
Tom

Thomas Littleton wrote:
Read with interest the posts to Frank's thread. A couple of thoughts
for what they are worth
dot dot dot

As I should have posted to my message to Frank:
Whatever Tom says is what I'll do.

I like your simple poly body suggestion. Thanks. I just hope I can stay on
the water long enough to try it. (Might keep this one a secret from Jimmy
so I can pull a "Why don't you try one of these!")
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

The pattern:

Hook--12 standard dry fly
Thread--White 6/0
Body--piece of white poly yarn, about 2 inches long, singed to melt at
either end. Lash this to the body over hook point, extending to rear.
Thorax--black fur, your choice. I use squirrel or rabbit.
Wing--heavily tied longish grizzley, 2 or three feathers wound hackle-wise
and clipped top and bottom.

There you have it.....easy to tie, painless to lose. The fish eat them up
like the real thing and they stay in their mouths real well. Go to it
guys...
one more I don't have to make batches of giveaways for you all!
Tom


I've noticed that there is no tail on this, and that is something I was
trying to include. Ideas or comments?

--
Frank Reid
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"Frank Reid" wrote in
:

The pattern:

Hook--12 standard dry fly
Thread--White 6/0
Body--piece of white poly yarn, about 2 inches long, singed to melt
at either end. Lash this to the body over hook point, extending to
rear. Thorax--black fur, your choice. I use squirrel or rabbit.
Wing--heavily tied longish grizzley, 2 or three feathers wound
hackle-wise and clipped top and bottom.

There you have it.....easy to tie, painless to lose. The fish eat
them up like the real thing and they stay in their mouths real well.
Go to it guys...
one more I don't have to make batches of giveaways for you all!
Tom


I've noticed that there is no tail on this, and that is something I
was trying to include. Ideas or comments?


I've posted a photo of the Penns Creek natural at
http://scottseidman.home.mindspring.com/

The tails go all the way to my thumb

Scott

"Frank Reid" wrote


I've noticed that there is no tail on this, and that is something I was
trying to include. Ideas or comments?

--


Frank,
I know zero about this bug. I'm just trying to be social and take an
interest in the PennClave. Thinking about "white, glassy, extended
abdomens" last night I remembered a section on extended bodies in Shane
Stalcup's ( sp?) book on mayflies bottom to top..... if my old memory serves
you posted that you got the book The first one he shows looks great to
my not too good at fly tying eye ... and I think you could build it soft
enough and mount it to hinge a little to minimize hooking problems

The fish might not give a **** but you'd have the coolest looking fly box in
camp G I tend to just whip out the minimum effort flies that fool the
fish, myself, and most of mine could be tied a lot neater with a little more
effort, but work well enough. But then I'm usually embarassed to show or
share them to/with anyone but the trout

Oh, I think tails would look great .... to MY eye, most spinners on the
water have a 'shape' that certainly includes the tail ..... I tend to make
more effort to tie neat ones on spinner patterns than on duns, myself (
again not for this exact bug, in general )

Frank,
I know zero about this bug. I'm just trying to be social and take an
interest in the PennClave. Thinking about "white, glassy, extended
abdomens" last night I remembered a section on extended bodies in Shane
Stalcup's ( sp?) book on mayflies bottom to top..... if my old memory
serves
you posted that you got the book The first one he shows looks great
to
my not too good at fly tying eye ... and I think you could build it soft
enough and mount it to hinge a little to minimize hooking problems

Absolutely perfect. Will try it right now.

--
Frank Reid
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I know zero about this bug. I'm just trying to be social and take an
interest in the PennClave. Thinking about "white, glassy, extended
abdomens" last night I remembered a section on extended bodies in Shane
Stalcup's ( sp?) book on mayflies bottom to top..... if my old memory
serves
you posted that you got the book The first one he shows looks great
to
my not too good at fly tying eye ... and I think you could build it soft
enough and mount it to hinge a little to minimize hooking problems


Okay, got enough of Tom's bugs tied, now working on the extended body, ala
Stalcup. Remembered I've tied these before.
Hint, if anyone else gets squirrely and wants to tie and extended body on a
needle, before starting, "grease" your needle with dubbing wax. It makes it
so much easier to get the finished product off of the needle.

--
Frank Reid
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I've noticed that there is no tail on this, and that is something I was
trying to include. Ideas or comments?

--
Frank Reid
Euthenize to respond

The fish don't seem to care. As I recall, Talleur noted the same, but said
that, if tails make the angler feel better, one could superglue 3 moose
hairs or such to the tip of the poly yarn piece.
Tom