Hook-B-Gone..

My tippet breaking experience a few weeks ago and Tims'
10-foot-release response to an earlier post made me curious:

Does anyone know, or can anyone speculate, what happens to hooks that
break off during a fight? Do they rust off? Do the fish shed them?
What happens?

I have nightmares about some fish having to carry around my fly and
part of a leader for the rest of his life.

I've caught one fish that had a fly and part of a leader in the roof
of its mouth, but just one. It seems to me that, with Tim and me on
the loose, there should be thousands of such fish swimming around.

DISCLAIMER FOR RDEAN: BEFORE POSTING, I CAREFULLY REVIEWED EXISTING
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:55:02 GMT, Charles Crolley
wrote:

BEFORE POSTING, I CAREFULLY REVIEWED EXISTING
THREADS AND POSTS. NO EVIDENCE OF THIS TOPIC WAS FOUND ON THE SBC
NEWS SERVERS.

Use Google for archive searches. Here's one example: http://tinyurl.com/7chd3
There are plenty more, too, FWIW.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:14:48 -0400, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:55:02 GMT, Charles Crolley
wrote:

BEFORE POSTING, I CAREFULLY REVIEWED EXISTING
THREADS AND POSTS. NO EVIDENCE OF THIS TOPIC WAS FOUND ON THE SBC
NEWS SERVERS.

Use Google for archive searches. Here's one example: http://tinyurl.com/7chd3
There are plenty more, too, FWIW.

Thanks - that was depressing.
For some reason, I never use Google.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:26:09 GMT, Charles Crolley
wrote:

Thanks - that was depressing.
For some reason, I never use Google.

I don't use Google for a news server, but ISP's don't really keep much of a
'history' on their servers and Google is all about data.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

Charles Crolley wrote:
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I have nightmares about some fish having to carry around my fly and
part of a leader for the rest of his life.

The fish with whom I've communicated regarding this issue claim they
carry the fly and tippet as a badge of courage, many times trying to
collect as many as possible. I've landed a fish or two still carrying
previously collected flies, and, based on the way they shake a squirm
when I remove them, they are plenty ****ed at losing their trophy.
Further, these fish have still been actively feeding, so I assume the
impact is negligible.

Almost every fish I catch is not hooked deep, but *barely* hooked in the
lip (fish lips? hmmm. . . a debate for another time, perhaps. . .).
Also, I'm guessing most de-barbed hooks probably get shaken out
somewhere along the way. BTW, my ten foot LDR's aren't from break-off,
but shake off. The only flies I normally lose are to the flora.

If it bothers a person to think about those consequences, then they
should probably just stick with 3X and not break the fish off.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On 6/20/05 10:55 AM, in article ,
"Charles Crolley" wrote:

My tippet breaking experience a few weeks ago and Tims'
10-foot-release response to an earlier post made me curious:

Does anyone know, or can anyone speculate, what happens to hooks that
break off during a fight? Do they rust off? Do the fish shed them?
What happens?

I have nightmares about some fish having to carry around my fly and
part of a leader for the rest of his life.

I've caught one fish that had a fly and part of a leader in the roof
of its mouth, but just one. It seems to me that, with Tim and me on
the loose, there should be thousands of such fish swimming around.

DISCLAIMER FOR RDEAN: BEFORE POSTING, I CAREFULLY REVIEWED EXISTING
THREADS AND POSTS. NO EVIDENCE OF THIS TOPIC WAS FOUND ON THE SBC
NEWS SERVERS.

Actually it has been discussed, and I know this because I have initiated
such a thread. I realize you are but yanking R's chain here (and the
steering committee will be along shortly to slap your wrist for so doing),
but if you are interested in reviewing past threads, using the
http://groups.google.com newsgroup archive would be a much better tool than
your local servers archive of postings, which is likely only a week or two's
worth.

And of course, not that we here are averse to discussing a topic again- most
of us anyhow. I've only been posting on ROFF for a couple of years, some of
those who've been around longer (and still punish themselves by continuing
their association) may disagree.

When I asked this question, the responses were fairly unanimous in stating
that the hook will indeed either disintegrate/rust or be shed. My question
in particular concerned deeply hooked fish where dislodging the hook would
be difficult or cause bleeding. As I recall, I had answers from Mike Connor
and others who would certainly have more knowledge than me on this topic.

There is one 16" largemouth bass that is swimming around so adorned-
festooned would actually be a better word, as it was a Big Dale purple
spider. Daughter #2 and I hooked this guy yesterday and he broke off (3x)
just as we got him to shore. Nice fish!

Bill

"Don't know how much pain he is suffering, but there is a thirty inch brown
going downstream in the
tengawai River (south island] with 13 foot of leader- a marabula
muddler- 22inches of tippett - a #6 nymph and four lead shot attached to
his mouth--if you see him please tell him Indian Joe says hi

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:10:39 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:


"Don't know how much pain he is suffering, but there is a thirty inch brown
going downstream in the
tengawai River (south island] with 13 foot of leader- a marabula
muddler- 22inches of tippett - a #6 nymph and four lead shot attached to
his mouth--if you see him please tell him Indian Joe says hi

So how did you manage to break off at the stoutest part of your rig, IJ?

Charles Crolley wrote:

I have nightmares about some fish having to carry around my fly and
part of a leader for the rest of his life.


If that's really true, and you are actually losing sleep, then you
should likely find a new hobby.

That said, my observations won't make you rest any easier. First of
all, hooks are made to resist rusting, so they probably last quite a
long time. I have caught a number of fish with flies in their jaws, and
while the flies were not in the best shape, most weren't severely
rusted either.

On the other hand, if you're fishing mostly for stockies, even in a C&R
environment, it won't matter much as the fish likely won't live to see
a second season, so the hook and tippet issue is kind of moot. Wild
trout are a different issue, but if the area is heavily fished, it is
likely the fish will be caught again, and your hook will be removed.

Re the In-Fisherman study. Did they really expect stainless and cadmium
plated hooks to rust through?

Charles Crolley wrote:

I have nightmares about some fish having to carry around my fly and
part of a leader for the rest of his life.


If that's really true, and you are actually losing sleep, then you
should likely find a new hobby.

That said, my observations won't make you rest any easier. First of
all, hooks are made to resist rusting, so they probably last quite a
long time. I have caught a number of fish with flies in their jaws, and
while the flies were not in the best shape, most weren't severely
rusted either.

On the other hand, if you're fishing mostly for stockies, even in a C&R
environment, it won't matter much as the fish likely won't live to see
a second season, so the hook and tippet issue is kind of moot. Wild
trout are a different issue, but if the area is heavily fished, it is
likely the fish will be caught again, and your hook will be removed.

Re the In-Fisherman study. Did they really expect stainless and cadmium
plated hooks to rust through?