my first fly

today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly

I know It sucks, but I'm proud
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet, so please don't kill me

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
I would stop during the flipping action sometimes and during these stops
I'd like it goes down to the bottom as a natural insect (I really don't
know how a natural insect sinks).
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks.
Otherwise......

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Wolfgang

On 7/28/05 12:21 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Vittorix" wrote in message
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today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks.
Otherwise......

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Hey, it worked for Datus Proper!

B

Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it
sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it
sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

In all seriousness, the only way to know whether or not a fly will be
effective is to try it. The fact that your creation nosedives shouldn't
cause you any concern unless you're looking for a particular action for a
specific situation. Many very effective flies are designed to do exactly
what yours does.....an up and down darting movement is characteristic of
lots of bait fish and other piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an
actual fishing situation.....it might surprise you.

Good luck.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah,
it sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

In all seriousness

infact, I was serious too, only results can tell the best and decisive
answer if it works or not

The fact that your creation nosedives
shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a
particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective
flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down
darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other
piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing
situation.....it might surprise you.
Good luck.

thanks a lot.
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?
fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and
when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah,
it sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

In all seriousness

infact, I was serious too, only results can tell the best and decisive
answer if it works or not

The fact that your creation nosedives
shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a
particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective
flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down
darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other
piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing
situation.....it might surprise you.
Good luck.

thanks a lot.
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?
fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and
when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

--
ciao
Vittorix

As I mentioned in another group, I am not a fly fisherman. I do own a few
fly rods. (cheap ones) They work. I am sure that a dedicated fly angler
can give you reasons why a very expensive fly rod is ideal for different
circumstances. I can tell you exactly why I like certain spinning or
casting rods for particular applications. I can also catch fish on a snoopy
rod.

I think if you become a dedicated hard corps fly angler you to will desire
to own some very high end equipment, but... all that being said, you will
find that there is some very fishable mid price stuff out there. I think
you might be better served by determining what fish you are likely to catch
in the area you wish to fly fish and what rod power, length, and action
would best suit those applications. Then you can look for a rod you can
afford that fits that application.

It might sound like I am saying a cheap rod is as good as an expensive one.
I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that if you know or take the
time to learn what characteristics you need in a rod for your application
you may be able to find one that will do the job adequately for a reasonable
middle of the road price.

In bass fishing (spinning and casting) I can tell you that G.Loomis is
arguably one of the best manufacturers of rods, but I can also tell you that
for a fraction of the price I own a number of Lamiglass and St Croix
(premier line) rods that do a very very good job for what I use them for.

I have one fly rod that cost about $40 dollars that does a fantastic job for
small stream trout in the 8-12" range. Would I use it for hunting trophy
steelhead or Salmon. Not a chance. It isn't suitable for the job. Would a
more expensive rod do a better job. Probably for a better fly angler, but I
doubt I would catch one more fish with it myself. I just don't have those
skills. Would it benefit me if I fly fished primarily and my hands had the
experience to tell the difference. Probably.

So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate priced
fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your application and go
fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing you will eventually want to
upgrade to something better. If not then you will still have had the
experience to relive and enjoy.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Vittorix wrote:

I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?
fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and
when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

Ciao, Vittorix. $600 US is a lot to pay for a first fly rod. There are
some good rods that are not too expensive, but without knowing the brand
and model you're thinking about, it's hard to give advice.

Look here

http://www.pipam.com/pipam/MERCATINO/#Vendo

to see if you can find a nice inexpensive used rod and reel. (If it's
primarily for trout fishing there in Italy, look for a medium-fast action
rod, 8.5 or 9 foot, 4 or 5 weight.)

Buona fortuna......

JR

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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...I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?

The word "fly" is misleading. Fishing flies are designed to represent all
manner of creatures, everything from "true" flies in the taxonomic sense
(the diptera) through the big three of trout stream aquatic insects, the
mayflies (ephemeroptera), the caddis flies (tricoptera) and stoneflies
(plecoptera) in all the stages of their life cycles, and on to bait fish
(including immatures of many a game species), crayfish, shrimp, crabs,
worms.....even mice and baby ducks. There are indeed arguments about what
flies work best in which situations, and even some about whether or not one
should use various styles and whether or not some are rightly judged as
flies at all. You can safely ignore ALL of those arguments. Advice is
usually worth listening to.....and you can get tons of it here for
free.....but you get to decide for yourself what you want to use.

fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and when
I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

A $69 rod is not necessarily going to be soft, nor a $600 rod fast. In
short, price is not at all a good indicator of a rod's action. The
conventional wisdom is that more money will buy greater quality, regardless
of desired characteristics. Generally, this tends toward truth, but the
exceptions are so numerous as to make the observation nearly worthless.
There are many rods in the low to mid range that are every bit as good as
many very expensive ones in terms of performance and often enough even in
cosmetics, durability, and whatever other traits might interest you.

This topic comes up here frequently. You'll get no end of opposed opinions
on which rods (and other pieces of equipment) are superior and why.
Unfortunately, there is simply no substitute for trying various combinations
to see what you like. Obviously, trying many is simply out of the question
for a beginner on his own. Your best bet is to get together with
experienced fly fishers and try as many rigs as possible before making up
your mind about what to buy. Barring this, it only makes sense to start out
relatively cheap (you may decide you hate fly fishing regardless of your
equipments' performance) and then work your way up as you gain experience of
your own and input from others you meet along the way.....unless you have
more money than you know how to deal with sensibly.

Once again, good luck.

Wolfgang

"Vittorix" wrote in :

I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?


Only if you don't like catching fish!

--
Scott
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