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From today's _Times_:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/sp...7outdoors.html

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Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
From today's _Times_:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/sp...7outdoors.html


"While the motion of your rod hand serves to flex the rod, pulling down
on the line with your other hand puts pressure on the rod tip and bends
it even more."

Hmmm. Sounds like this Jaworowski guy is saying that hauling loads the rod.

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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:13:03 GMT, rw wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
From today's _Times_:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/sp...7outdoors.html


"While the motion of your rod hand serves to flex the rod, pulling down
on the line with your other hand puts pressure on the rod tip and bends
it even more."

Hmmm. Sounds like this Jaworowski guy is saying that hauling loads the rod.

lol!

here we go!

"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
From today's _Times_:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/sp...7outdoors.html


"While the motion of your rod hand serves to flex the rod, pulling down on
the line with your other hand puts pressure on the rod tip and bends it
even more."

Hmmm. Sounds like this Jaworowski guy is saying that hauling loads the
rod.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

After quite a number of experiments, long and involved discussions, I also
believe that hauling loads the rod, but only minimally. Most of the energy
goes into accelerating the line. Most of the experts involved, and the
experiments and simulations caried out, confirmed this.

If you are interested, have a look here;
http://www.sexyloops.co.uk/cgi-bin/t...=ST;f=3;t=3160

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

After quite a number of experiments, long and involved discussions, I also
believe that hauling loads the rod, but only minimally. Most of the energy
goes into accelerating the line.

.... which was exactly my position all along.

BTW, this NYT article isn't credible. The guy breathlessly marvels about
the ability of Jaworowski to shoot the entire line with one false cast.
Either (1) he's picking up a ridiculous amount of line, or (2) he's
using a shortened fly line. Or both. I think the article is a
combination of a credulous, newbie-flyfisher reporter and a very skilled
caster who knows how to play a sucker.

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"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Mike Connor wrote:

After quite a number of experiments, long and involved discussions, I
also believe that hauling loads the rod, but only minimally. Most of the
energy goes into accelerating the line.

... which was exactly my position all along.

BTW, this NYT article isn't credible. The guy breathlessly marvels about
the ability of Jaworowski to shoot the entire line with one false cast.
Either (1) he's picking up a ridiculous amount of line, or (2) he's using
a shortened fly line. Or both. I think the article is a combination of a
credulous, newbie-flyfisher reporter and a very skilled caster who knows
how to play a sucker.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Quite a few people have questioned this article already, for a number of
reasons. Among other things, the haul described would result in severe
errors. As Mr.Jaworoski is quite well known for his book "The Cast", one is
bound to assume that he knows how to do it, and so presumably the reporter
involved has used rather a lot of licence in his descriptions.

One is also bound to assume that a WF and maximum carry is involved.

TL
MC

rw wrote:
Mike Connor wrote:


After quite a number of experiments, long and involved discussions, I
also believe that hauling loads the rod, but only minimally. Most of
the energy goes into accelerating the line.


... which was exactly my position all along.

BTW, this NYT article isn't credible. The guy breathlessly marvels about
the ability of Jaworowski to shoot the entire line with one false cast.
Either (1) he's picking up a ridiculous amount of line, or (2) he's
using a shortened fly line. Or both. I think the article is a
combination of a credulous, newbie-flyfisher reporter and a very skilled
caster who knows how to play a sucker.

Suspect yes, but they are talking about sal****er casting and the need
for distance casting. I could see where Mr. Jaworowski has a lot of line
laid out on the water, and does a water haul. Doing this, with a 7wt or
heavier rod, it doesn't seem as incredible. Just my take on it.

brians

briansfly wrote:

Suspect yes, but they are talking about sal****er casting and the need
for distance casting. I could see where Mr. Jaworowski has a lot of line
laid out on the water, and does a water haul. Doing this, with a 7wt or
heavier rod, it doesn't seem as incredible. Just my take on it.

There's a fine but distinct difference between "not credible" and
"incredible." :-)

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
After quite a number of experiments, long and involved discussions, I also
believe that hauling loads the rod, but only minimally. Most of the energy
goes into accelerating the line. Most of the experts involved, and the
experiments and simulations caried out, confirmed this.

Scientifically and logically correct. No doubt there are various semantic
issues to be resolved to the satisfaction of non-believers; but as a matter
of engineering mechanics, your summary is spot on IMHO.

Joe F.