Good Riddance to 'Clave Raffles

Having been accused in another thread of bringing a
$5 item to a $20 raffle I must protest. In the first
place it was a $10 raffle and this is what I brought:

http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/...w_mou_solo.htm

I carry one in my vest and I thought it was a practical,
useful raffle gift.

At any rate, I think raffles are a bad idea, someone is
always gonna feel like they got screwed, so why bother ?

If you think a first aid kit is a cheap, cheesy raffle
gift how about golf balls ? No, not a box of 12 new Nikes,
not even a sleeve of 3 new Titleists, two cut-up, beat-up,
muddy, unmatched range balls found in somebody's backyard
on a North Cackalacky golf course. Now *that's* cheap.

Anyway, like the Subject says, good riddance to raffles.

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Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:54:16 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

I carry one in my vest and I thought it was a practical,
useful raffle gift.

I think your gift was a great one, Ken. It wasn't ME that was
complaining about it. I was more than willing to get your gift
instead of the one I got. But it *was* me who took the heat because
of your gift. I tried to trade with him, but he said no.

Damned if I do and damned if I don't.

Ken Fortenberry typed:
Having been accused in another thread of bringing a
$5 item to a $20 raffle I must protest. In the first
place it was a $10 raffle and this is what I brought:

http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/...w_mou_solo.htm

What a cheap bastid. ;-)
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TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tim J. wrote:
Ken Fortenberry typed:
Having been accused in another thread of bringing a
$5 item to a $20 raffle I must protest. In the first
place it was a $10 raffle and this is what I brought:

http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/...w_mou_solo.htm

What a cheap bastid. ;-)

Ouch, that really hurts coming from a non-millionaire
by 65 slacker who blew off his "opportunities". ;-)

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Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:52:58 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Ouch, that really hurts coming from a non-millionaire
by 65 slacker who blew off his "opportunities". ;-)

I could say "Another cheap shot from a cheap bastid", but I won't.
;-)

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Ouch, that really hurts coming from a non-millionaire
by 65 slacker who blew off his "opportunities". ;-)

I could say "Another cheap shot from a cheap bastid", but I won't.
;-)

Good thing you won't, because it wasn't a cheap shot it
was an accurate depiction of the way you dismissed many
of us here for not marrying as well as yourself. Although,
as for myself, I did damn near as well as you did on that
score.

Now, is my stay at Lakewood Camps on you or was that just
another April Fool's joke ?

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Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:46:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Good thing you won't, because it wasn't a cheap shot it
was an accurate depiction of the way you dismissed many
of us here for not marrying as well as yourself. Although,
as for myself, I did damn near as well as you did on that
score.

What the hell does my "marrying well" have to do with it. After my
divorce I moved into a furnished room w/bath rented out by a kind old
lady. I went from Chief's Quarters in Westminster to Seaman's
Quarters in one big afternoon. When Joanne and I finally started to
live together it was in a 3 room apartment in Acton. Again, not
exactly Chief's Quarters. When we finally moved to our own home and
married, we both brought equal wealth to the deal. My intentions in
marrying her had nothing to do with her earning power, which, in those
days, wasn't much more than mine. If you met her, you'd know within
five minutes of meeting her why I fell in love with her and married
her.

Now, is my stay at Lakewood Camps on you or was that just
another April Fool's joke ?

You got three days on me, picked your time, and bring Kipper. I'll
bring Henry. But, I don't want any **** from you about nymphing!

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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slacker who blew off his "opportunities". ;-)

is that another brokeback mountain reference?

If so, it's a shame it's come to that. In many respects, there
have been sad laments as to how ROFF isn't what it used to be, blah,
blah, blah. People come, people go, and the overall personality may
change a bit; but it's still essentially SSDD. But bitching about
the clave raffles? What's next, complaints about the quality of fly
swap flies?

Now, I've been to a few claves and was a one-time Penns Clave
rafflemeister, and I'll allow as to there having always been some
grumbling about inequities in the booty distribution; but this is the
first I've noticed (and granted, I haven't been paying attention)
that the nature of the raffles has changed to the point that people
give donations with an expectation of receiving some return of greater
or equal value. I'm chagrined.

Why back in the "good ol' days", I remember when folks used to donate
stuff out of the goodness of their ROFF souls. ROFFians would send
stuff in with no expectation of receiving *anything* in return, much
less complaining about a gift from another. Zimbo's bamboo, Mike
C's rods, and Frank's quilt are but a few of the wonderfully
generous items once donated out of generosity, not of greed. These
events were supposed to be for fun, not profit. (I mean, who really
wants a Big Mouth Billy Bass?). IMHO, if anyone donates to a raffle
just to be eligible to receive a prize, they should just stay the hell
out of it.

I don't know who or under what circumstances your donation was
criticized; but if that's what the raffles have become, then good
riddance indeed.

"rb608" wrote in message
oups.com...
If so, it's a shame it's come to that. In many respects, there
have been sad laments as to how ROFF isn't what it used to be, blah,
blah, blah. People come, people go, and the overall personality may
change a bit; but it's still essentially SSDD. But bitching about
the clave raffles? What's next, complaints about the quality of fly
swap flies?

Now, I've been to a few claves and was a one-time Penns Clave
rafflemeister, and I'll allow as to there having always been some
grumbling about inequities in the booty distribution; but this is the
first I've noticed (and granted, I haven't been paying attention)
that the nature of the raffles has changed to the point that people
give donations with an expectation of receiving some return of greater
or equal value. I'm chagrined.

Why back in the "good ol' days", I remember when folks used to donate
stuff out of the goodness of their ROFF souls. ROFFians would send
stuff in with no expectation of receiving *anything* in return, much
less complaining about a gift from another. Zimbo's bamboo, Mike
C's rods, and Frank's quilt are but a few of the wonderfully
generous items once donated out of generosity, not of greed. These
events were supposed to be for fun, not profit. (I mean, who really
wants a Big Mouth Billy Bass?). IMHO, if anyone donates to a raffle
just to be eligible to receive a prize, they should just stay the hell
out of it.

I don't know who or under what circumstances your donation was
criticized; but if that's what the raffles have become, then good
riddance indeed.

This isn't the first time this matter of raffle prizes has come up. It
surfaces periodically and it's pretty much the same bunch that whines about
giving too much and getting too little. It's part of the cost of doing
business in a forum like this, where people can air grievances (real or
imagined) that stem naturally from more or less haphazard face to face
encounters. For that matter, it's also a perfectly natural part of the cost
of doing business regardless of whether face to face encounters occur. None
of this is surprising. Nor should anyone find it particularly distressing.
What IS surprising.....and bears remembering.....is that so many people here
who, as far a they know (at least at first), have little in common besides
an interest in fly fishing have gotten together so many times and generally
gotten along so well together. Also worth remembering is that, frequent
lamentations notwithstanding, this is still a good virtual place to come to.

Wolfgang