Names to know

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several
years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood
what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are.
(BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush
was president.)

I think every responsible american needs to know about this committee,
as its members are in high places and have already had trememdous
influence on multiple facets of our lives. With the recent and upcoming
changes in Washington, I think we'd do well to keep an eye out for
these guys. For example, I didn't know that John Bolton was a member.
Or Dan Quayle.

Along with the rights of freedom of speech and the right to vote comes
the responsibility to always continue to become more informed of the
machinations of politics. I hope one or two folks have their curiosity
piqued by this.

Anyone have more references, books, etc to recommend?

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several
years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood
what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are.
(BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush
was president.)
--riverman

This group is the essences of NEOCON.

The Christian Science Monitor has this linked to its website:
http://tinyurl.com/8ay2r

They are our government within our government!

Op

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:24:20 -0500, "Opus McDopus"
wrote:


"riverman" wrote in message
oups.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several
years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood
what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are.
(BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush
was president.)
--riverman

This group is the essences of NEOCON.

The Christian Science Monitor has this linked to its website:
http://tinyurl.com/8ay2r

They are our government within our government!

The last thing I read about them was that many of them become very
disenchanted with government and politics after a while working with
them. Unfortunately, they're not the ones we have to worry about...
--

r.bc: vixen
Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:24:20 -0500, "Opus McDopus"
wrote:


"riverman" wrote in message
roups.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several
years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood
what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are.
(BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush
was president.)
--riverman

This group is the essences of NEOCON.

The Christian Science Monitor has this linked to its website:
http://tinyurl.com/8ay2r

They are our government within our government!

The last thing I read about them was that many of them become very
disenchanted with government and politics after a while working with
them. Unfortunately, they're not the ones we have to worry about...


I worry equally about loonies like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manucher_Ghorbanifar

....and the fact that he's still trying to sell ideas to weakminded pols,
such as George Bush.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I worry equally about loonies like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manucher_Ghorbanifar

...and the fact that he's still trying to sell ideas to weakminded pols,
such as George Bush.

After reading about PNAC, I've realized that Bush, et al, aren't weakminded
or stupid at all. They are incredibly intelligent and strong-willed people
pursuing a stupid goal. Despite my inherent disagreement with their
principles, I gotta give them some credit: they DID get themselves injected
into government at all levels and were able to make a running stab at their
ideals. You can't say that about most Political Think Tank operations.

--riverman

In article , says...
After reading about PNAC, I've realized that Bush, et al, aren't weakminded
or stupid at all. They are incredibly intelligent and strong-willed people
pursuing a stupid goal.



I wouldn't even say it was a stupid goal, since they wanted to make the
world a better place by spreading democracy throughout the middle east.
I do think that they chose about the worst possible way to achieve that
goal.

One problem with fanatics is that they only listen to other fanatics.
The skeptic who interrupts the conversation to say "This won' work
because..." or "What if..." either gets browbeaten into submission or
gets excommunicated from the cult (look at the long list of military
officers and intelligence officials who got canned for trying to point
out inconvenient realities to the bosses.)

Kevin

"Cyli" wrote in message
...

The last thing I read about them was that many of them become very
disenchanted with government and politics after a while working with
them. Unfortunately, they're not the ones we have to worry about...
--

It makes one wonder how many of them are Veterans?

Op

Do you think that the scumbags have a vested interest in military
spending???


Fred

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"riverman" wrote in message
ups.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Discussions about this group have been tossed around ROFF for several
years, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has not really understood
what the PNAC committee was all about, or moreso, who its members are.
(BTW, these are the folks who proposed attacking Iraq long before Bush
was president.)

I think every responsible american needs to know about this committee,
as its members are in high places and have already had trememdous
influence on multiple facets of our lives. With the recent and upcoming
changes in Washington, I think we'd do well to keep an eye out for
these guys. For example, I didn't know that John Bolton was a member.
Or Dan Quayle.

Along with the rights of freedom of speech and the right to vote comes
the responsibility to always continue to become more informed of the
machinations of politics. I hope one or two folks have their curiosity
piqued by this.

Anyone have more references, books, etc to recommend?

--riverman

"Fred Lebow" wrote in message
et...
Do you think that the scumbags have a vested interest in military
spending???


Fred

Did anyone read Max Boot's Q&A?

If he's not a neocon, he sure missed a good chance!

Op

"Fred Lebow" wrote in message
et...
Do you think that the scumbags have a vested interest in military
spending???


Fred


I seem to remember that many of them hold or have held paying positions on
Boards of MilitaryIndustrial corporations, so I'd think they do have a
direct vested interest. Moreso, I think that their motivation is for the
benefit of the US and the US economy, and since they see the US military
playing a key role in establishing a beneficial economy, then I think you
could say that they have an indirect vested interest also.

I mean, they aren't doing this altruistically, are they?

--riverman