Help from readers?

Still trying to complete article on life of a small brook trout from
hatchery to death on a rat face McDougal from the fish point of view., and
find first person {the fish } point of view sort of confusing.
Wolfgang or some of you book folks, have you read anything presented from
the fish side of story? If they make a movie from this article I will share
credits if you offer any suggestions.
Indian Joe

On Mar 5, 9:57 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:
Still trying to complete article on life of a small brook trout from
hatchery to death on a rat face McDougal from the fish point of view., and
find first person {the fish } point of view sort of confusing.
Wolfgang or some of you book folks, have you read anything presented from
the fish side of story?

Haig-Brown : "Return to the River"

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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On Mar 5, 9:57 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:
Still trying to complete article on life of a small brook trout from
hatchery to death on a rat face McDougal from the fish point of view.,
and
find first person {the fish } point of view sort of confusing.
Wolfgang or some of you book folks, have you read anything presented
from
the fish side of story?

Haig-Brown : "Return to the River"
Joe replies --thanks Wayne-quick look at my own library includes Roderick
Haig-Browns's " A Primer of Fly-Fishing", but no copy of Return to
River---will have to find a copy.

On Mar 5, 11:46 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:

-will have to find a copy.-

Since I've twice sent rare,out of print, and collectible Middleton
books east and got them back safely, I guess I could do the same with
a Haig-Brown book that is not collectible if you can't find a copy.

On Mar 5, 11:05 am, "Wayne Knight" wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:46 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:

-will have to find a copy.-

Since I've twice sent rare,out of print, and collectible Middleton
books east and got them back safely, I guess I could do the same with
a Haig-Brown book that is not collectible if you can't find a copy.

I've got a copy lying in one of the heaps around here. Found it at a
garage sale for a buck or so, some years back. I've seen a few others
here and there. I get the impression it shouldn't be hard to locate
at any decent sized library. Otherwise, I can also send mine out.

Wolfgang

On Mar 5, 10:54 am, "Wayne Knight" wrote:
On Mar 5, 9:57 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:

Still trying to complete article on life of a small brook trout from
hatchery to death on a rat face McDougal from the fish point of view., and
find first person {the fish } point of view sort of confusing.
Wolfgang or some of you book folks, have you read anything presented from
the fish side of story?

Haig-Brown : "Return to the River"


A terrific book, from probably the most talented writer of fishing
books, ever. However, it happens to be written in the third-person
(omnicient) point of view, not in the first-person.

That being said, wouldn't any story that attempted to be from the
perspective of the fish be fairly contrived? That's probably why you
find it confusing, Joe. It's hard enough to imagine a story narrated
from the perspective of a nonhuman primate, not to mention going a few
rungs down the evolutionary ladder to the fish. Either some serious
anthropomorphism needs to be accomplished (so the fish talks more like
a person), or there has to be a third-person voice.

Just my $0.02 worth,

Adam

Adam wrote:

On Mar 5, 10:54 am, "Wayne Knight" wrote:

On Mar 5, 9:57 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:


Still trying to complete article on life of a small brook trout from
hatchery to death on a rat face McDougal from the fish point of view., and
find first person {the fish } point of view sort of confusing.
Wolfgang or some of you book folks, have you read anything presented from
the fish side of story?

Haig-Brown : "Return to the River"



A terrific book, from probably the most talented writer of fishing
books, ever. However, it happens to be written in the third-person
(omnicient) point of view, not in the first-person.

That being said, wouldn't any story that attempted to be from the
perspective of the fish be fairly contrived? That's probably why you
find it confusing, Joe. It's hard enough to imagine a story narrated
from the perspective of a nonhuman primate, not to mention going a few
rungs down the evolutionary ladder to the fish. Either some serious
anthropomorphism needs to be accomplished (so the fish talks more like
a person), or there has to be a third-person voice.

Just my $0.02 worth,

Adam



john gardner wrote a book from the beowulf monster's point of
view...grendel. very effective and interesting when i read it decades ago.

"jeff" wrote in message
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john gardner wrote a book from the beowulf monster's point of
view...grendel. very effective and interesting when i read it decades
ago.

Fair enough point, Jeff, but I think Adam is on something.
I mean, IJ's premise involves a thinking, feeling, caring and
apparently garrulous fish, starting shortly past the egg stage. That's a
tough narrative to make without vast use of the willing suspension of
disbelief, or whatever they call it.

..........and, if it doesn't end with the exclamation "Oh, ****!"
someplace between hook-set and landing, I won't believe a word of it......
Tom

On Mar 5, 8:10 pm, jeff wrote:
Adam wrote:
On Mar 5, 10:54 am, "Wayne Knight" wrote:

On Mar 5, 9:57 am, "Joe McIntosh" wrote:

Still trying to complete article on life of a small brook trout from
hatchery to death on a rat face McDougal from the fish point of view., and
find first person {the fish } point of view sort of confusing.
Wolfgang or some of you book folks, have you read anything presented from
the fish side of story?

Haig-Brown : "Return to the River"

A terrific book, from probably the most talented writer of fishing
books, ever. However, it happens to be written in the third-person
(omnicient) point of view, not in the first-person.

That being said, wouldn't any story that attempted to be from the
perspective of the fish be fairly contrived? That's probably why you
find it confusing, Joe. It's hard enough to imagine a story narrated
from the perspective of a nonhuman primate, not to mention going a few
rungs down the evolutionary ladder to the fish. Either some serious
anthropomorphism needs to be accomplished (so the fish talks more like
a person), or there has to be a third-person voice.

Just my $0.02 worth,

Adam

john gardner wrote a book from the beowulf monster's point of
view...grendel. very effective and interesting when i read it decades ago.

Broadly speaking, there are two classes of books in this world; those
whose covers are (as Mr. Bierce once observed) too far apart, and
those whose covers are way too close together. Gardner's "Grendel"
exemplifies the latter as well as any.

Thanks for the reminder. I'll be looking for a copy to reread soon.

Wolfgang

On Mar 5, 10:32 pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:
On Mar 5, 8:10 pm, jeff wrote:

john gardner wrote a book from the beowulf monster's point of
view...grendel. very effective and interesting when i read it decades ago.

Broadly speaking, there are two classes of books in this world; those
whose covers are (as Mr. Bierce once observed) too far apart, and
those whose covers are way too close together. Gardner's "Grendel"
exemplifies the latter as well as any.

Thanks for the reminder. I'll be looking for a copy to reread soon.

I know it is poetry (I know, I know! I've got a reputation to uphold,
after all!) but you boys should have a look at Gardner's translation
of the Gawain poet. "Gawain and the Green Knight" is rolicking good
fun- banquet feasts, quests, lots of slaying- and Gardner did a darned
good job of rendering the old English into new.

I don't know much about Gardner- his academic background- but he must
have gotten a taste for the early stuff at some point.

Hwæt!
Wm