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http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender. There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems. From http://www.viruslist.com/en/spam/info?chapter=153350526 Most people believe that spam is unsolicitied email. However, this definition is not entirely correct and confuses some types of legitimate business correspondence with true spam. Spam is anonymous, unsolicited bulk email. This is the description that is being used today in the USA and Europe as a basis for the creation of anti-spam legislation. Let's take a closer look at each component of the definition: * Anonymous: real spam is sent with spoofed or harvested sender addresses to conceal the actual sender. * Mass mailing: real spam is sent in mass quantities. Spammers make money from the small percentage of recipients that actually respond, so for spam to be cost-effective, the initial mails have to be high-volume. * Unsolicited: mailing lists, newsletters and other advertising materials that end users have opted to receive may resemble spam but are actually legitimate mail. In other words, the same piece of mail can be classed as both spam and legitimate mail depending on whether or not the user elected to receive it. It should be highlighted that the words 'advertising' and 'commercial' are not used to define spam. Many spam messages are neither advertising nor any type of commercial proposition. In additon to offering goods and services, spam mailings can fall into the following categories: * Political messages * Quasi-charity appeals * Financial scams * Chain letters * Fake spam being used to spread malware Unsoliticited but legitimate messages A legitimate commercial proposition, a charity appeal, an invitation addressed personally to an existing recipient or a newsletter can certainly be defined as unsolicited mail, but not as spam. Legitimate messages may also include delivery failure messages, misdirected messages, messages from system administrators or even messages from old friends who have previously not corresponded with the recipient by email. Unsolicited - yes. Unwanted - not necessarily. How to deal with spam H'mmm seams like people like to make their own rules, like regular contributors saying "hay guys tell me what's wrong with my "topic" related web site" is spam. He did not do it to multiple and off topic groups is spam, when in fact it's not. -- Rodney Long SpecTastic tackle company http://spectastictackle.com/ |
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In your experience have you found that posting commercials (SPAM)
in non-commercial Usenet newsgroups to be a good business practice ? And if, in your experience, it actually is a good business practice why doesn't everyone do it ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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The real question is not whether or not it's a good business practice, the
question is "What is Spam" -- WWW.GOTOBAITS.COM PREMIUM HAND POURED BAITS "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . .. In your experience have you found that posting commercials (SPAM) in non-commercial Usenet newsgroups to be a good business practice ? And if, in your experience, it actually is a good business practice why doesn't everyone do it ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Fishking wrote:
The real question is not whether or not it's a good business practice, the question is "What is Spam" A commercial in a non-commercial Usenet newsgroup is Usenet SPAM. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Fishking wrote: The real question is not whether or not it's a good business practice, the question is "What is Spam" A commercial in a non-commercial Usenet newsgroup is Usenet SPAM. HAHAHAHAHAHA Damn poor commercial -- Rodney Long SpecTastic tackle company http://spectastictackle.com/ |
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Rodney Long wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Fishking wrote: The real question is not whether or not it's a good business practice, the question is "What is Spam" A commercial in a non-commercial Usenet newsgroup is Usenet SPAM. HAHAHAHAHAHA Damn poor commercial I agree. Beats hell out of me why anyone would do it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Posting SPAM is NEVER a good business practice. Seeking the advice of
long-time friends is ALWAYS a good business practice. It is time that you learned the difference, Ken. Bob .................................................. .................................................. ........... "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . .. In your experience have you found that posting commercials (SPAM) in non-commercial Usenet newsgroups to be a good business practice ? And if, in your experience, it actually is a good business practice why doesn't everyone do it ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Bob Rickard wrote:
Posting SPAM is NEVER a good business practice. Seeking the advice of long-time friends is ALWAYS a good business practice. It is time that you learned the difference, Ken. If you want business advice from long-time friends you should send them an email. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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This group could have thousands of people on it, if it didn't have the
self appointed net cops, who call "everything" about someone's web site as being spam The pro's I know never post to groups like this because if they mention they are kicking butt with one of their sponsor' lures , they are called spammers, if someone from Bass Pro shops got on here and told everyone, hay guys check out this new lure we just started carrying, it the greatest thing I've fished with, is run off for spamming . If some small lure makers came on here and said guys I'm trying to develop a new lure, and I need the groups input,, is FLAMED, and called every name in the book. I would love to hear and see what's new in bass fishing, like the video link that was just posted. Of course since the one giving that link is not associated with the company, it was not spam, if the same link was posted from someone who invented it, he would be called the lowest spammer in the world. (it was a very good looking bait, I could care less who posted it, it was on topic, and no one was forced to click the link) What I think a few on here want, is they want to spend all their money with people who don't contribute to the overall group. It's fine to talk about any body's (company's) lures here as long as no one on the group gets any money from the others buying that lure, that money should go to the MEGA tackle companies who only think the members here are a $ sign, not worth their time to even answer a question. I'm a member of several fishing email groups, that have many times the numbers of people than this group, they also have many people who are members, who are also in the fishing industry. In these groups there are no "spam cops" in the membership , and the list owners tell those in the industry, if you have something new coming out, PLEASE let the group know first. The reason for this is everyone in the group wants to catch more fish. Now if someone just started posting the same "commercial" message, about the same product everyday, or even once a week, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE JUMPED. That has never happened though. This group has lost many good contributors, because they were in the fishing industry, they offered much more than just their products. I've had many members from here tell me they loved some of my stuff years ago, but where heavily flamed, or feared they would be flamed for talking about it on this group. -- Rodney Long SpecTastic tackle company http://spectastictackle.com/ |
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I Agree completely Rodney,it would be nice to get a heads up every now and
then without that person getting flamed ![]() -- -- Chris S Replace com with net to e-mail --- "Rodney Long" wrote in message ... This group could have thousands of people on it, if it didn't have the self appointed net cops, who call "everything" about someone's web site as being spam The pro's I know never post to groups like this because if they mention they are kicking butt with one of their sponsor' lures , they are called spammers, if someone from Bass Pro shops got on here and told everyone, hay guys check out this new lure we just started carrying, it the greatest thing I've fished with, is run off for spamming . If some small lure makers came on here and said guys I'm trying to develop a new lure, and I need the groups input,, is FLAMED, and called every name in the book. I would love to hear and see what's new in bass fishing, like the video link that was just posted. Of course since the one giving that link is not associated with the company, it was not spam, if the same link was posted from someone who invented it, he would be called the lowest spammer in the world. (it was a very good looking bait, I could care less who posted it, it was on topic, and no one was forced to click the link) What I think a few on here want, is they want to spend all their money with people who don't contribute to the overall group. It's fine to talk about any body's (company's) lures here as long as no one on the group gets any money from the others buying that lure, that money should go to the MEGA tackle companies who only think the members here are a $ sign, not worth their time to even answer a question. I'm a member of several fishing email groups, that have many times the numbers of people than this group, they also have many people who are members, who are also in the fishing industry. In these groups there are no "spam cops" in the membership , and the list owners tell those in the industry, if you have something new coming out, PLEASE let the group know first. The reason for this is everyone in the group wants to catch more fish. Now if someone just started posting the same "commercial" message, about the same product everyday, or even once a week, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE JUMPED. That has never happened though. This group has lost many good contributors, because they were in the fishing industry, they offered much more than just their products. I've had many members from here tell me they loved some of my stuff years ago, but where heavily flamed, or feared they would be flamed for talking about it on this group. -- Rodney Long SpecTastic tackle company http://spectastictackle.com/ |
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