Peace Treaty?

I've been coming to this message board for about a year now. This is
my first year of fly fishing. Many of the people have been really
helpful, either directly, or I have searched the archives to get
answers. I know there's a lot of bickering that go on between folks &
name-calling. But I couldn't help but notice that folks on both sides
of these arguments have been helpful to me over the year. One person,
Mike C. even sent me a used fly reel to try out (sent it all the way
from Germany) with some extra spools of lines so I could experiment &
learn some new things. I have children and am on a tight budget so it
just wouldn't have been possible for me to go out and buy this stuff &
he had an extra reel he wasn't using so he sent it to me. No cost.
Just being a nice guy. And I've met several through this group (and
have enjoyed some very nice private email from the folks here).

I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here.

Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

On Sep 20, 11:20 am, mdk77 wrote:
I've been coming to this message board for about a year now. This is
my first year of fly fishing. Many of the people have been really
helpful, either directly, or I have searched the archives to get
answers. I know there's a lot of bickering that go on between folks &
name-calling. But I couldn't help but notice that folks on both sides
of these arguments have been helpful to me over the year. One person,
Mike C. even sent me a used fly reel to try out (sent it all the way
from Germany) with some extra spools of lines so I could experiment &
learn some new things. I have children and am on a tight budget so it
just wouldn't have been possible for me to go out and buy this stuff &
he had an extra reel he wasn't using so he sent it to me. No cost.
Just being a nice guy. And I've met several through this group (and
have enjoyed some very nice private email from the folks here).

I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here.

Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

Teh subject line of your post should be "OT" Peace treaty, what a
meathead!

On Sep 20, 1:30 pm, BJ Conner wrote:
On Sep 20, 11:20 am, mdk77 wrote:



I've been coming to this message board for about a year now. This is
my first year of fly fishing. Many of the people have been really
helpful, either directly, or I have searched the archives to get
answers. I know there's a lot of bickering that go on between folks &
name-calling. But I couldn't help but notice that folks on both sides
of these arguments have been helpful to me over the year. One person,
Mike C. even sent me a used fly reel to try out (sent it all the way
from Germany) with some extra spools of lines so I could experiment &
learn some new things. I have children and am on a tight budget so it
just wouldn't have been possible for me to go out and buy this stuff &
he had an extra reel he wasn't using so he sent it to me. No cost.
Just being a nice guy. And I've met several through this group (and
have enjoyed some very nice private email from the folks here).

I wondered if it would ever be possible for folks to just "agree to
disagree" more on this board? I know there will be daily
disagreements over stuff. You find that on most every message board.
But it would be neat if folks could keep disagreements from getting so
escalated that it detracts from the great fishing content and advice
here.

Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

Teh subject line of your post should be "OT" Peace treaty, what a
meathead!

Sorry. I'm still learning message board etiquette. You're right, I
should have posted that with the "OT".

In article .com,
mdk77 wrote:

On Sep 20, 1:30 pm, BJ Conner wrote:
On Sep 20, 11:20 am, mdk77 wrote:



Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

Teh subject line of your post should be "OT" Peace treaty, what a
meathead!

Sorry. I'm still learning message board etiquette. You're right, I
should have posted that with the "OT".

Don't apologize. Whoever told you off is a schmuk. (can't remember or
be bothered to find out who it was - there are dozens of them here).

This newsgroup contains an extraordinary number of deeply damaged,
rather unpleasant people, for some reason. Where I fish, most
fly-fisherpeople are unusually tolerant, and most places I've been in
the world fishers are wise, tolerant and helpful.

Not here, though.

As you've seen, for some reason, Roff (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly) seems
to have attracted an unusual skim of agressive middle-aged men, mostly
american, with chips on their shoulders, who have nothing better to do
than pick meaningless, vicious fights with each other.

I've never met any of them, and I've no desire to.

A few of them do know a few things about fishing, (I can never remember
which ones, to be honest, are republican, and which democrat (in spite
of the title of the group, american politics is the main subject of the
group)), so I've been using it for information for many years.

But I would strongly advise you to avoid this place and talk to some
real fishermen who will be glad to help you.

Lazarus

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
news:200920072108285031%lazaruscooke@britishlibrar y.invalid...
In article .com,
mdk77 wrote:

On Sep 20, 1:30 pm, BJ Conner wrote:
On Sep 20, 11:20 am, mdk77 wrote:



Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

Teh subject line of your post should be "OT" Peace treaty, what a
meathead!

Sorry. I'm still learning message board etiquette. You're right, I
should have posted that with the "OT".

Don't apologize. Whoever told you off is a schmuk. (can't remember or
be bothered to find out who it was - there are dozens of them here).

This newsgroup contains an extraordinary number of deeply damaged,
rather unpleasant people, for some reason. Where I fish, most
fly-fisherpeople are unusually tolerant, and most places I've been in
the world fishers are wise, tolerant and helpful.

Not here, though.

As you've seen, for some reason, Roff (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly) seems
to have attracted an unusual skim of agressive middle-aged men, mostly
american, with chips on their shoulders, who have nothing better to do
than pick meaningless, vicious fights with each other.

I've never met any of them, and I've no desire to.

A few of them do know a few things about fishing, (I can never remember
which ones, to be honest, are republican, and which democrat (in spite
of the title of the group, american politics is the main subject of the
group)), so I've been using it for information for many years.

But I would strongly advise you to avoid this place and talk to some
real fishermen who will be glad to help you.

Hm......

The domestic staff is getting cheeky again.

Wolfgang
who remembers with great fondness a time when the bloody wogs could just be
thrashed and sent packing.

On Sep 20, 9:25 pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Hm......

The domestic staff is getting cheeky again.

Wolfgang
who remembers with great fondness a time when the bloody wogs could just be
thrashed and sent packing.

;-))

Lazarus

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:08:28 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

But I would strongly advise you to avoid this place and talk to some
real fishermen who will be glad to help you.

Very bad advice. This nut house, aka roff, is filled with
knowledgable fishermen who have fished everywhere from Russia, to
Alaska, to BC, to Labrador, to the far west, rocky mountain areas, the
mid-west, the south west, south, east, new england, and
chile/patagonia, and the salts from Maine to Belize, and yet Great
Britain and Europe.

If a legitimate question is asked on roff, there is always someone who
will answer it *without pontificating*, or being a pompous bore. This
is not a place for such folks.

As far as Mike giving a reel for you to try, it would not be the first
time such a thing has been done on roff. I have seen fly rods given
to people who could not afford them, reels and lines donated, Tim S.
from Maine who teaches flyfishing to school kids has received any
number of such gifts including dozens of flies tied by roffians for
his kids. I personally have sent a fly tying vice, tools, and
materials to someone who needed it and couldn't afford it. Such
stories appear on roff every year.

Roff is a generous place, but it will not tolerate pompous,
pontificating fools who answer a question with 15 posts and give no
more info that a google site. The roffians that I know and love give
advice from their heart and have learned the answer to the question
by experience. The OP has not been around to see Connor's behavior
over the years as we have. He has left roff in a snit more times than
we can remember, always because someone disagreed with him and he
wasn't "appriciated" for his "knowledge". Horse puckies! There are
people on roff who have forgotten more than he will ever know.

Sorry you don't live in the States. If you did you could attend a
clave and see how much people help each other. Yes, there are
difference, but that is what makes this place so interesting. Go to a
moderated fly fishing site and it becomes boring. Roff is the front
porch of a fishing camp where we all sit and discuss things (very
heated at times, so invest in some flame proof clothes). Arguments?
****ing contests? You betchum. Fights? Oh, yeah... some big ones.
But if the place is so bad, why do you hang around here? And why do
the pontificating fools hang around here if they get grief and no
appreciation? Hmmmm?

Dave

On Sep 20, 9:37 pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Roff is a generous place, but it will not tolerate pompous,
pontificating fools who answer a question with 15 posts and give no
more info that a google site. The roffians that I know and love give
advice from their heart and have learned the answer to the question
by experience.

If you've ever been in Belfast, or Bosnia, or Kabul, you'll have
heard the Ulster Protestants/Serbs/Taliban telling you that their
particular patch is 'a generous place', and that they're the kindest,
decentest people in the world.

It's just that people DON'T UNDERSTAND them.

Sorry you don't live in the States.

That says it all.

Lazarus

On 20 Sep, 22:37, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:08:28 +0100, Lazarus Cooke

wrote:
But I would strongly advise you to avoid this place and talk to some
real fishermen who will be glad to help you.

Very bad advice. This nut house, aka roff, is filled with
knowledgable fishermen who have fished everywhere from Russia, to
Alaska, to BC, to Labrador, to the far west, rocky mountain areas, the
mid-west, the south west, south, east, new england, and
chile/patagonia, and the salts from Maine to Belize, and yet Great
Britain and Europe.

If a legitimate question is asked on roff, there is always someone who
will answer it *without pontificating*, or being a pompous bore. This
is not a place for such folks.

As far as Mike giving a reel for you to try, it would not be the first
time such a thing has been done on roff. I have seen fly rods given
to people who could not afford them, reels and lines donated, Tim S.
from Maine who teaches flyfishing to school kids has received any
number of such gifts including dozens of flies tied by roffians for
his kids. I personally have sent a fly tying vice, tools, and
materials to someone who needed it and couldn't afford it. Such
stories appear on roff every year.

Roff is a generous place, but it will not tolerate pompous,
pontificating fools who answer a question with 15 posts and give no
more info that a google site. The roffians that I know and love give
advice from their heart and have learned the answer to the question
by experience. The OP has not been around to see Connor's behavior
over the years as we have. He has left roff in a snit more times than
we can remember, always because someone disagreed with him and he
wasn't "appriciated" for his "knowledge". Horse puckies! There are
people on roff who have forgotten more than he will ever know.

Sorry you don't live in the States. If you did you could attend a
clave and see how much people help each other. Yes, there are
difference, but that is what makes this place so interesting. Go to a
moderated fly fishing site and it becomes boring. Roff is the front
porch of a fishing camp where we all sit and discuss things (very
heated at times, so invest in some flame proof clothes). Arguments?
****ing contests? You betchum. Fights? Oh, yeah... some big ones.
But if the place is so bad, why do you hang around here? And why do
the pontificating fools hang around here if they get grief and no
appreciation? Hmmmm?

Dave

You can´t even read properly Davie boy, or keep two posts or posters
apart. The guy I sent the reel, lines, and shooting heads to, lives in
central Illinois. Last time I heard, that was still in the States.
Nevere know with you buggers, no consistency, always staring wars,or
seceding, or something.

You can´t forget what you never learned Davie boy, and with only a few
exceptions, there are not very many really knowledgeable fly anglers
here. There are a few who like to think they are.

MC

On Sep 20, 3:08 pm, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:
In article .com,



mdk77 wrote:
On Sep 20, 1:30 pm, BJ Conner wrote:
On Sep 20, 11:20 am, mdk77 wrote:

Just an observation and thought from a "new guy" who doesn't know
squat about fly fishing, but loves having a place to learn more from
good people here.

Teh subject line of your post should be "OT" Peace treaty, what a
meathead!

Sorry. I'm still learning message board etiquette. You're right, I
should have posted that with the "OT".

Don't apologize. Whoever told you off is a schmuk. (can't remember or
be bothered to find out who it was - there are dozens of them here).

This newsgroup contains an extraordinary number of deeply damaged,
rather unpleasant people, for some reason. Where I fish, most
fly-fisherpeople are unusually tolerant, and most places I've been in
the world fishers are wise, tolerant and helpful.

Not here, though.

As you've seen, for some reason, Roff (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly) seems
to have attracted an unusual skim of agressive middle-aged men, mostly
american, with chips on their shoulders, who have nothing better to do
than pick meaningless, vicious fights with each other.

I've never met any of them, and I've no desire to.

A few of them do know a few things about fishing, (I can never remember
which ones, to be honest, are republican, and which democrat (in spite
of the title of the group, american politics is the main subject of the
group)), so I've been using it for information for many years.

But I would strongly advise you to avoid this place and talk to some
real fishermen who will be glad to help you.

Lazarus

Thanks. I realize I was trying the "Don Quixote" here by suggesting
folks tone down a bit. You are 100% correct though, with the advice
to talk to local fishermen. I have done that and everyone has been
great & I have learned a lot from them. But I've learned a lot from
folks here on the board too -- if you can wade through the nasty posts
and pick out the good stuff.