OT -IOWA POLITICS

ok, ok...i know... but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time. i fear
it may not last, that iowa is a unique island in the political world,
and that it will cause the rivals to resort to dirty works appealing to
the baser sense of the electorate...but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

jeff (wishin and hopin...but still cynical)

On Jan 4, 8:13*am, jeff miller wrote:
but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g *more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Joe F.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:30:55 -0800 (PST), rb608
wrote:

On Jan 4, 8:13*am, jeff miller wrote:
but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g *more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Joe F.

I'd have never guessed youse guys were such big Huckabee fans...

IAC, after coming in third, if I were, well, anyone but Hillary, I'd be
hunkered down for the assault from the "well-oiled Clintonista
machine"...

TC,
R
....I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

On Jan 4, 9:47*am, wrote:
insight and analysis snipped

I wish the Orange Bowl were still on.

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 9:47 am, wrote:
insight and analysis snipped

I wish the Orange Bowl were still on.

There's always the Spanish language stations on T.V.

Wolfgang
to whom spanish is greek.

...I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

McCain and Richardson, with either in the leadership role, is a dream
team ticket for those of us that believe the scales should be
balanced.
Frank Reid

Frank Reid wrote in news:aa327cc3-12c0-4ee5-9c89-
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...I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

McCain and Richardson, with either in the leadership role, is a dream
team ticket for those of us that believe the scales should be
balanced.
Frank Reid


Hitting those pain killers again, are we??


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Scott
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On Jan 4, 8:13 am, jeff miller wrote:

but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Joe F.


I'd have never guessed youse guys were such big Huckabee fans...

IAC, after coming in third, if I were, well, anyone but Hillary, I'd be
hunkered down for the assault from the "well-oiled Clintonista
machine"...

TC,
R
...I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

Though I know you were pluckin some feathers, I actually meant the whole
deal - including on the, ugh, republican side. you'll note i didn't
identify a particular party in my post. Huckabee is frightening to me
for a number of very idiosyncratic reasons, but the fact he won over the
likes of romney and ghouliani was in fact heartening as a sign of
something new in the Godawful Old Party.

(...and, i've not forgotten your early prognostications.)

jeff

On Jan 4, 1:45*pm, Jeff wrote:
wrote:

On Jan 4, 8:13 am, jeff miller wrote:

but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g *more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. *The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. *The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Joe F.

I'd have never guessed youse guys were such big Huckabee fans...

IAC, after coming in third, if I were, well, anyone but Hillary, I'd be
hunkered down for the assault from the "well-oiled Clintonista
machine"...

TC,
R
...I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

Though I know you were pluckin some feathers, I actually meant the whole
deal - including on the, ugh, republican side. you'll note i didn't
identify a particular party in my post. Huckabee is frightening to me
for a number of very idiosyncratic reasons, but the fact he won over the
likes of romney and ghouliani was in fact heartening as a sign of
something new in the Godawful Old Party.

(...and, i've not forgotten your early prognostications.)

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Well, the way I see the Republican caucus was really a change for the
worse. Huckabee, although on the surface appears to be a decent guy,
is supported by the extreme right wing bible thumping faction of the
party. I am an independent who tends to vote Republican, but I doubt
seriously that I would vote for Huckabee.

What I want in a candidate, is someone who will do for energy
independence, what JFK did for the space race. If a viable candidate
would stand up and promise to bring us energy independence from OPEC
in, say 10/20 years, and show a comprehesive plan by which this could
be accomplished, he/she would have my vote, regardless of race,
gender, or party affiliation. My belief is that most of our problems
in the middle east come as the result of our oil dependency. If that
goes away, then they can no longer hold us hostage with threats of
shutting down the oil supply, and their money will have to come from
China and other emerging economies. The other major benefit would be
the economic opportunities available in the "new" energy technologies.

On Jan 4, 12:06 pm, George Adams wrote:

party. I am an independent who tends to vote Republican, but I doubt
seriously that I would vote for Huckabee.

What I want in a candidate, is someone who will do for energy
independence, what JFK did for the space race. If a viable candidate
would stand up and promise to bring us energy independence from OPEC
in, say 10/20 years,

I browsed Huckabee's website to learn more about him, and he does you
one better; he promises energy independence in less than 8 years ("by
the end of the second term").

and show a comprehesive plan by which this could
be accomplished,

Ah, now that's the sticky part :-)

Impossible, in my opinion, unless you can convince our country to
return to a one car per family model, and driving that car maybe 5000
miles per year. Anything less, and the numbers simply don't add up.
Not even close -- at least an order of magnitude apart. No candidate
will be elected who's telling the voters that. So they sell pipe
dreams (biodiesel, hydrogen) and snake oil (ethanol).

Jon.